Session 201704081

“Earth Changes: Food Supply, Rising Waters and Commercial Exchange"

Session 201704081 (Partial)
“Earth Changes: Food Supply, Rising Waters and Commercial Exchange"

Saturday, April 8, 2017 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Jean-François (Samta)

“I would very much encourage every individual to be aware of what they are doing and what they are participating in, and evaluating once again: what are you contributing to? What energy are you contributing to? Are you contributing to a blind energy that is moving in the direction of crisis? Or are you contributing to an energy that is aware and that is self-directing?”

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Hi! Good afternoon, Elias.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And what shall we discuss this day?

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Last time I talked to you, we discussed among other things earth changes, and this has, I think, gathered some interest in the forum, and today this would be a session where we would like to expand on what we discussed last time and get more information and details on these changes.

ELIAS: Very well.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Last time, we discussed mainly three aspects of changes and affectingness that are in development. One was the rising waters, one was the desertification of inland locations and how that is going to affect production of food, and the other aspect was changes in commerce.

On these topics, or on these aspects or other ones, what would you say is important for us to focus on? Or what other information can you offer and expand on what you’ve already said at this point that would be a benefit to all of us that are going to be listening to this?

ELIAS: First of all, I would request that you somewhat clarify that question. What are you looking for? What direction of information are you looking for or wanting to be expanded on?

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: You mean this is too general?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. There are many different directions in that, and therefore what specifically in relation to any of these different factors are you wondering about or curious about in relation to how to be preparing or how to be engaging or what to anticipate? What is the direction of your inquiry?

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Okay. I’ll formulate some more specific questions, and some people had submitted questions too, so I’ll take some of that into this.

Let’s start with the desertification and the foods. So, you were saying that food production, at least on this continent of North America, is likely to be moving northward. How is that likely, or how can we orchestrate that? Is this a situation where it’s going to be happening with the leadership of governments, or not necessarily? Is this more something that needs to be orchestrated private enterprise or private groups of individuals? Or in a manner of speaking, should we be counting on and relying on the leadership of governments to accomplish this?

ELIAS: What I would express to you is first of all, if you are waiting for government to orchestrate these types of movements (chuckles), you will likely move yourselves in directions in which you will experience more drama and more trauma than is necessary.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: So, there’s a need for individual initiative and endeavor?

ELIAS: Most definitely. I would express that that would be the situation in relation to any of these subjects, is that if you are looking to government to address to these situations or to alter these situations or to initiate in relation to these situations, then you will be waiting until the situation is at crisis point.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Would you say that governments in general are pretty much in denial of what’s going on? Or are they more aware than they’re letting on?

ELIAS: I would say that that varies. I would say that it depends on which government you are looking at, and that there are some that are very aware and that are being, in your terminology, very proactive and are attempting to address to situations in constructive manners and are being realistic. I would express that there are other governments that are in denial and are dismissive, and I would express that there are others that are aware and informed but are not necessarily addressing to.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: I guess the American government would be a good example of denial?

ELIAS: Yes. I would agree. Yes.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Interesting.

ELIAS: For what I would express is that there are many groups of individuals within that government that are informed, that are expressing in a direction that they are acknowledging of the situation. But I would also express that there are also many groups that are merely expressing denial, and some that are being dismissive because it seems to them to not be important enough immediately.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: So, going back to the aspect of food, would you say that it’s quite likely that in the next couple of years and beyond that, that we are likely to see a lot of… I mean, are we looking at a situation where many people will return to producing food themselves, and rely on food themselves that they’re producing to some significant extent, or getting food from the community or locally and exchanging that? Or is the agriculture more likely to remain done on a massive scale?

ELIAS: I would express both. I would express to you that in different areas, both are already moving in those directions of producing their own food sources. And you have in many, many, many communities already begun moving in the direction of placing importance and value on what you identify as local, independent farming and supporting that. That is already begun, and in many communities that is building in strength. And that also encourages individuals to be moving in directions of producing more food sources independently themselves also.

But I would express that en masse it remains in the direction that is familiar, in which individuals are considerably dependent on the mass production of food sources, and that is the piece that is leading you in the direction of difficulties and in the expression of moving towards that crisis point rather than away from it.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Would you say this is the most sensitive or challenging aspect that we’re likely to face, at least initially, with these earth changes?

ELIAS: No, not necessarily. I would express that the motion of all of this has generated such an increased momentum that, in a manner of speaking, it is all occurring simultaneously. Therefore, it would be difficult to express that one aspect of it would be more affecting or more damaging than another aspect of it. You are already beginning to very realistically observe the effects of all of these different aspects, and not merely in what you think of as third world countries but in developed, western civilized countries, or what you view them to be.

Let me express to you also that (chuckles) contrary to the mass expression and perception of the western world, so to speak, this would be an excellent time framework to be incorporating somewhat of an example from Russia.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: In what capacity?

ELIAS: In the capacity of generating food sources and sustaining a country, so to speak, in less than optimal conditions.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Meaning that they have already have had to rely on creative methods and scenarios to sustain themselves because of their environment?

ELIAS: Correct.


ELIAS: What I would express is that their environment is moving in the direction of becoming milder, and many other environments that have lent themselves well to food production and farming are moving into situations in which they will not be sustainable. And in that, those areas are areas of the world that are not merely sustaining to themselves but that provide a tremendous volume of food sources to other areas in the world. And therefore it is not merely a matter of individual countries any longer. It is a matter of moving in a direction of cooperation as a species, in a manner of speaking, to preserve your species and your maintaining of existence.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: How would you qualify the potential for significant famine?

ELIAS: (Pause) I would express that that is a considerably significant potential, a very significant potential, that there are many places in your world that are already experiencing that, and I would express to you that that situation and that potential is growing daily.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: As an individual, what would you say, as an individual living anywhere in the world, in an urban center or not, what is important to engage or initiate or be aware of in relation to this food situation at this point?

ELIAS: What is im--…? There are so many factors. (Laughs)

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: It’s a big question, eh?

ELIAS: (Laughs) This is a considerable question. It is considerably broad.


ELIAS: It is a matter of realistically altering lifestyles.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Should people be changing their diets already at this point, to stimulate the production of certain foods and not others? Wouldn’t that be a sort of very effective way to direct agricultural activity?


JEAN-FRANÇOIS: And what would be your recommendations in relation to diets like for the…?

ELIAS: What I would express is the first aspect is being aware of what is natural for you as a species to consume and moving in that direction intentionally, rather than blindly following the propaganda that is generated by the different governments throughout your world in relation to food sources.

Let me express to you two very definite directions that are considerably propagandized and that you blindly follow, and that are unnecessary and are actually not entirely healthy for you as your species in relation to consumption.

One would be the TREMENDOUS production of most—not all, but most—dairy products. That is not promoted because it is actually beneficial or healthy for any of you, but it is economically driven.


ELIAS: The other is your meat consumption. I would emphasize beef more than the other meats that you consume, but I would include all of the different meats that you consume. As humans, I would express that yes, that is a viable food source for you, but in a fraction of the consumption that you generally engage.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Right, and unless you’ve been living under a rock, you’re aware of what the production of meat does to the environment.

ELIAS: And what I would express to you is that I disagree with you in relation to “unless you have been living under a rock.” What I would say to you is that at this point presently, the majority of the world is not aware of that factor.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: The majority of the world is living under a rock. (Laughs)

ELIAS: And that is debatable, also. But I would express that there are many of you that are aware but that are aware because you are paying attention, but there are the majority of individuals within your world that are not aware of that factor.

And let me express this to you, my friend, this is a significant piece in relation to the propaganda that is expressed in relation to this particular animal, this particular species of cattle, whether they are being used for dairy or for meat. This is promoted not only in western cultures but in many, many, many areas of your world that you consider to be underdeveloped countries or third world countries. This is a significant factor that has been and continues to be implemented and encouraged in relation to people that don’t have mass information but are being provided with cattle to maintain and grow.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: So, it would be a matter of not only reducing the actual consumption of meat to influence agricultural and food production practices, but also there is a tremendous need to get the word out much more than it is.

ELIAS: Yes. Most definitely. For this is an area in which the production of these particular animals is TREMENDOUSLY promoted and encouraged throughout your world; throughout your world.

Now; in that, I would express, as I have previously, I am not denying or not including other animal production as food sources as contributants, for that is also a piece. I would express that another aspect of propaganda has been, I would express in your perhaps past century to present, the promotion of the production of fowl and the propaganda that chicken is healthier than other forms of meat to consume, and therefore individuals are encouraged to consume more of that.

Let me express to you that if you consume any meat source—any meat source—twice per week, that is plenty. It is not necessary for you to maintain a meat source every day or more than once per day.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Okay. Well, thank you very much for all this food information. (Elias laughs) Let’s move onto the rising waters aspect of this topic.

ELIAS: Very well.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Would you have any… I mean, we’ve already discussed this to some extent, but do you have anything to expand upon of your own impulse on this? Or would you rather more specific questions?

ELIAS: I would express, as I have already, that this is becoming more and more and more obvious as a significant situation, and not merely in remote areas of your world but in significantly populated areas and in areas that are populated in western cultures.

And in that, it is not merely affecting little villages that most individuals are far removed from. This is beginning to affect significant cities, and it is moving in the direction of affecting more and more—not even every year, less than every year. I would express that it has moved now to a point in which there are significant increases every six months, which is definitely significant.

And regardless of how much money you channel into attempting to redirect the water, it will continue to flow. It will continue to rise. It will continue to come.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Are there areas in the world, continents perhaps, that are more at risk than others? What would be the most vulnerable places?

ELIAS: I would express that some of the most vulnerable places are certain aspects of Indonesia, certain parts of coastal areas of China and India, certain aspects of what you identify as the Middle East and in different parts of Africa. I would say that there are significant aspects of North and South America that are considerably vulnerable, and most islands. I would express that most of the Pacific Islands and most of the southern Atlantic islands are significantly vulnerable and—

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Do you mean the Caribbeans?

ELIAS: —are already being significantly affected.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: By South Pacific islands, you mean the Caribbeans? South Atlantic islands, I mean.


JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Okay. What would you say in the next five years or maybe ten years? What is the likely amount of feet of water on average in the world? How high will this increase? Or what is the most likely potential in five to ten years?

ELIAS: The most likely potential in relation to that measurement would be likely between one to two and a half within the next five years, which is a tremendous amount. And within the next ten years, it is likely that it will potentially rise between three to five and a half.

Let me express to you, most individuals do not generate a realistic concept of what that means. They hear those numbers, and they think about those increments of measurement, and they have no realistic concept of what that means. Let me express to you, for every half of a foot of water rising, that is what you term to be six inches of water rising, that actually affects more than a mile extension inland.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: So, obviously we’re looking at massive displacement of people. Would you be able to put a rough number on how many people are likely to be displaced within ten years on the planet? Or a percentage?

ELIAS: No. No, for that is a considerable variable. It depends upon how much you move into that crisis situation within the upcoming five years and how much you respond to it.

And in that, what I would express to you is that what is definite and inevitable is that you are not looking at a situation that is potentially affecting of the next generation. You are looking at a situation that is affecting now and will continue to be so, and will merely be increasing—and not within fifty years, and not even within twenty-five years, but within ten you will be in crisis.

Therefore, no, I would not express even a speculation of numbers or percentages of individuals that would be affected, because that is definitely dependent upon what you do now. You do have the ability to alter that. You do have the ability to avoid significant crisis situations.


ELIAS: By addressing to it now, and not ignoring it and not denying it, and moving in directions. Stopping activities that compound or exacerbate the situation, and, because you cannot stop what is already in motion, that will continue regardless, but you can stop exacerbating it, and you can stop contributing to it and therefore speeding the process. You can slow the process.

In this, also moving in proactive directions rather than denying and attempting to continue to build in areas that are already succumbing to these changes, rather than expressing all of that effort and energy to continue to build in the areas that are already succumbing to the changes, to use that energy and effort to build otherwise.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: To build more inland and prepare infrastructure inland? Infrastructure that will not be affected by the rising water and that will be able to receive all the people that will be moving? Is that what you mean?



ELIAS: Look at your world presently, my friend. For you are being given an excellent example of what happens when hundreds of thousands or millions of individuals are displaced. Look at your world now, and what is occurring with the tremendous surge of refugees. Look at that situation. Look at what you are doing and how you are reacting to that, and what you are breeding in it. And that is giving you a very obvious example to learn from and to move in directions to avoid that.

The conditions that are being expressed because there IS not enough infrastructure to accommodate the surge of masses of individuals fleeing one area into other areas, what has occurred? The living conditions are deteriorating, in your terms and in relation to the mass beliefs, deplorable situations.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Are we—I mean, when we talk about creating new infrastructure as much as possible in advance, what kind of infrastructure are we talking about? We’re not talking about individual housing, are we? Or are we?

ELIAS: Partially.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: But I mean, how can that accommodate that many people moving? Aren’t we looking at scenarios where camps are an almost inevitable potential?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. I would express if you continue in the manner that you are, then yes, it will be inevitable. But is it inevitable? No. Can you alter that? Can you prevent that? Can you move in directions to avoid that? Yes, you can.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: What about—

ELIAS: Let me express to you, now look at a different area of your world, not the areas or the situations with refugees. Look at the western coastal area of the United States and the western coastal areas in Europe, which are building, building, building, building, building—building EXPLOSIONS.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: So, in terms of the infrastructure that would be helpful to initiate, what about micro-communities or ecological communities, or people coming together to either further develop existing communities or create new ones more inland? That’s the type of movement you’re encouraging? Like, people who are on the coasts can begin moving now and realign in a different place? Is that what you’re meaning?

ELIAS: Correct. Correct. Yes. Be intentional. Be proactive, not reactive.’

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: So, it’s a time where we need to come together intentionally as groups of different sizes and be proactive and initiate new developments and new communities without necessarily waiting on any sort of formal authority as a government to initiate those kinds of projects?

ELIAS: Correct. Yes.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Can the houses and the infrastructures that need to be built now, I gather that they also need to be conceived in a way that is ecological and in harmony with the land?

ELIAS: I would agree. And in harmony with yourselves also, as a species.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: We have a few minutes left. What would you have to say, to close this conversation today?

ELIAS: I would very much encourage every individual to be aware of what they are doing and what they are participating in, and evaluating once again: what are you contributing to? What energy are you contributing to? Are you contributing to a blind energy that is moving in the direction of crisis? Or are you contributing to an energy that is aware and that is self-directing?

And in that, I would express that it is very important that individuals are aware of themselves and also aware of what is occurring around them.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: This is no time for business as usual, basically.

ELIAS: I would agree, and the atmosphere in your world is lending to that quite nicely.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: (Laughs) Yeah. I’ll say.

ELIAS: I would express that you are generating expressions and directions in your world, throughout your world, that are lending to not being status quo.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Yeah. We didn’t really talk too much about the commerce aspect of this. You said last time that this was one of the big areas of human experience and activity that is likely to be tremendously affected, but that it might not also be doom and gloom because we have already been moving in directions of relying less on actual money and currency.

ELIAS: Correct. And I would express that this definitely is not actually a subject or a situation of doom and gloom. You have already been considerably moving in that direction and preparing, without even being aware of what you are preparing for. But in that, you have naturally already moved considerably in that direction and are continuing to do so.

And, the more you move in the direction of becoming closer and closer to crisis (chuckles), the more you move in the direction of dismantling the commerce, because it serves you less and less. And you have less and less of it.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Yeah. So, we should see a big increase of direct exchanges in the next five to ten years?

ELIAS: I would express that that will be gaining momentum. But understand that this is a tremendous structure being toppled. therefore it is not necessarily going to present itself in tremendously dramatic manners. It has already moved, and you have already laid a foundation with that subject and that direction to move somewhat more smoothly into that direction. And therefore, it is likely that you will incrementally transition in that direction without generating tremendous crisis and conflict.

But all the rest that is occurring is adding to that. It is all interconnected. One structure does not fall and not affect the other structures with it.

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: I hear you. There’s so much more to talk about, but thank you so much. I mean, I have a feeling we’ll be talking about this a lot more. I very much appreciate your perspective and your information. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend. I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting and the continuation of the subject. Perhaps you will develop some more specific questions. (Chuckles)

JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Yes. That will be possible.

ELIAS: Until our next meeting, in wondrous lovingness to you as always, au revoir.


(Elias departs after 55 minutes)