Session 201905262

Session 201905262
“Supporting Self and Others"
“Climate Change in Alberta, Hawaii and Florida”
“Increasing Flexibility in the Science Wave"

Sunday, May 26, 2019 (Private)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Brigitt (Camile)

ELIAS: Good morning!

BRIGITT: Good morning, Elias.

ELIAS: And what shall we discuss?

BRIGITT: Ah! A whole bunch of little bits and pieces. (Elias chuckles) First, one for Alex.


BRIGITT: He wants to know what his percentage of self-awareness is. He says he knows it doesn’t mean anything, but he still wants to know. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Percentage of self-awareness, I would say 47.

BRIGITT: 47! Awesome. And what’s mine now? I have to know.

ELIAS: I would say 48.

BRIGITT: Excellent! One up on him. (Both laugh) Do I have a concurrent focus that I could find that’s famous enough or that’s visible enough that I could find objectively?


BRIGITT: Darn it! Okay. (Both laugh) Curiosity is killing me, you know, but okay.

ELIAS: Although, what I would say to you is you could investigate focuses that you are observing of that are concurrent. That would be the same.

BRIGITT: That’s true, and I’ve found a few of those. Yeah. So, that’s interesting. And sometimes I wonder, if I suddenly take an interest for whatever reason in a person, if I suddenly start observing them at that time?

ELIAS: That occurs many times, yes.

BRIGITT: That’s what I think. Yeah.


BRIGITT: Because there’s somebody that… I had a dream or a recollection many, many years ago about a boy in Britain who was probably in his early teenage years. I’m sure he was in Britain, and he had a large yard, and it was a night and he seemed to be very upset with what was going on in the main house with his parents and everything, and he was running across it to get away and be by himself. And just a quick impression. And he seemed just frustrated and he wanted to get away. And there was a gazebo or something that he was heading toward at the end of these large grounds. And so, was that a focus?


BRIGITT: Okay. And so that’s why I thought that this fellow that Denise asked about me might have been that focus, because the age would have been right and the appearance, a grown-up version of what I saw would have been correct also. And he’s British as well, so… (Elias chuckles) So, that occurred to me that might be it. So, did I start observing that author—


BRIGITT: — when I took that interest in him—


BRIGITT: — at that time?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

BRIGITT: So, it just started recently. Okay. Yeah.

So, a quick question: what would be an ideal body weight for me?

ELIAS: And your impression?

BRIGITT: Oh god. I’m going with the medical thing, anywhere between 138 and 158, so the middle would be 148. But that’s just what’s…

ELIAS: I would say (pause) 149, 150.

BRIGITT: Okay. Okay. That’s manageable, I think. (Laughs)


BRIGITT: Okay, to get there.

Ah. Okay, I’ll use that one for the last. I have a pain, not consistent because it’s not steadily all there, in the lower back and left hip area. And I don’t make it really, really important, but it’s there on and off all the time. Not all the time, but on and off. But it’s consistent, there all the time. Is it something I’m holding there, or is it a posture thing, the bed or sitting, or is it a physical cause, or is it something that I’m holding something in that area for whatever reason?

ELIAS: First of all, whether you have a reason such as holding energy or not, it also is a physical reason.

BRIGITT: Okay. Right.

ELIAS: Because they move hand in hand. (Pause) I would say that first of all, yes, it is somewhat of an underlying tension.


ELIAS: That is actually about support.


ELIAS: It is about support of your son, that that is something important to you and that it is a subject that you hold in energy, in a manner of speaking, questioning whether it is enough, most of the time.

BRIGITT: Oh. That I support him enough, or…? Yeah. It’s funny. I just had a dream about that this morning. Huh!

ELIAS: Therefore, it also is about your own support, because questioning whether you are supportive enough of him is not necessarily being entirely supportive of you. It isn’t acknowledging you.

BRIGITT: Ah. Okay.

ELIAS: If you are questioning and moving in a direction of your support of him might not be enough, then what you are also expressing is that YOU aren’t enough.

BRIGITT: Right. Okay.

ELIAS: Therefore, it is a matter of supporting you also.

BRIGITT: Interesting. That one came out of the blue. Not a clue! (Laughs) I never had a clue there. Wow. Okay.

ELIAS: I would say that this is understandable because this is something, this is a subject that you have been engaging throughout his life, therefore most of your life, caring for him, caring about him, loving him, wanting to be supportive of him and questioning whether what you are doing is enough.

BRIGITT: Hm. Okay. Thank you. I will work with that.

ELIAS: You are welcome. And what I would say to you is, it is.

BRIGITT: Okay. Thank you. (Laughs) That’s good. (Elias chuckles) Sometimes I feel bad because I think I am… My intent was to allow him to be independent or sort of train him to be independent, and then… because I felt very strongly that that was necessary and that was important. And I thought maybe that I was just overdoing that independence, that idea of it, because the jewel of independence is not such a wonderful thing. (Laughs) So, that’s always been in the back of my mind, that I might have been doing it wrong.

ELIAS: It isn’t a matter of doing it wrong. But also, remind yourself that that is something that you value and that you don’t have to push that.

BRIGITT: Okay. I think he’s pretty independent as it is anyway.

ELIAS: I agree. I agree. But you don’t have to push it.

BRIGITT: Yeah. Okay. All right.

ELIAS: Understand that the subject is already received. Therefore, it doesn’t have to be reinforced.

BRIGITT: Yes, and I see that. Yeah.

ELIAS: THAT is pushing it, because it already is known, and therefore it doesn’t have to be reiterated or expressed repeatedly.

BRIGITT: Yeah. Okay. Awesome.

And I also have fibroids, I think, uterine fibroids that are there and they’re big enough that… They don’t really get in my way, so I don’t want to have any surgery or anything like that with them. Can I dissolve those on my own? Am I holding those for any particular reason? Is that the same thing?

ELIAS: No, actually. What I would say is no, that is entirely different. That is simply that you to this point have believed that you developed them and then they are there. And therefore, you simply maintain them.


ELIAS: And in that, you can practice with reminding yourself that your body naturally regenerates if you stop telling it not to, and that isn’t about simply thinking.

But what I would say to is that you can be incorporating more citrus in your diet, and that will naturally interact with enzymes in your body that will naturally dissipate those masses and move in a direction of dissolving them. And when you are incorporating that, visualize to yourself that this is your action of reinforcing that your body can regenerate. That will be helpful in changing that automatic instruction to not be regenerating.

BRIGITT: Okay. Citrus: edible or supplements? Would supplements work, or should it be eating that?

ELIAS: I would more suggest consuming, such as fruits, whichever you prefer: tomatoes, oranges, grapefruit, lemon, lime. Any of those fruits would be… and not to be consuming them excessively, but simply add that into your diet.

BRIGITT: And juice would work? Like lemon juice or lime juice in soda water or something?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.



BRIGITT: All right. I can do that.

ELIAS: Very well.

BRIGITT: Can I ask about climate change in Edmonton, where I am? What do you see happening in the next few years there? How is it going to affect it? Is it one of the places where a lot of people will flock to because the weather is going to be more stable? That’s the impression I get.

ELIAS: Some people will.

BRIGITT: Is it stable enough, climate-wise, that it could hold a large population?

ELIAS: It could.

BRIGITT: Yeah. Okay.

ELIAS: It could. I would express that that is a matter of whether the residents that are already there move in a direction of expanding the infrastructure, but it could sustain more individuals, more people and be relatively stable, yes.

BRIGITT: Okay. That’s good. And what’s going to change there? I know in my lifetime there, it used to be that our winters were steadily cold—not too cold. But over the years now it’s sort of up and down and we have melts in January and freezing in February, really, really cold in the middle. And it goes up and down. It’s sort of… The winter this year was especially long. Is there going to be more of that or…?

ELIAS: What I would say is for a time framework it is likely that the temperatures and the weather will fluctuate. It is in an in-between state presently. Nothing has stabilized. This is the reason that so many individuals in so many places are complaining that their weather patterns seem to be very erratic and inconsistent. And in that, that isn’t necessarily an indicator as to what the weather patterns will eventually be. It is this in-between time in which the weather patterns are considerably erratic because nothing has stabilized and everything is in flux.

I would say that eventually it will stabilize in a manner in which it is likely that your winters will be somewhat colder than they were previously, but not as long.

BRIGITT: Well, that would be nice.

ELIAS: That once it stabilizes, it is more likely that it will stabilize in a capacity in which you will incorporate definite, distinct seasons but that your seasons will be more even –

BRIGITT: Well, that would be nice.

ELIAS: --rather than one season being much longer than another season, therefore stabilizing in that capacity. But it is likely that the winters will be somewhat colder.

BRIGITT: Okay. (Laughs)

Which brings me to retirement. I really would like to be in a place where I can live outside and inside equally all year round. That would make me extremely happy. So, I can’t see it happening right now, but maybe after five years, because you know me and my rules about money (laughs) and stuff. I’ll work on those. It’ll be hard. And there was Hawaii. But how long are the Hawaiian Islands going to be there?

ELIAS: Actually, that is an interesting and significant question, because not all of the Pacific islands will be significantly affected. And what is important to remember is the foundation of different places.

The Hawaiian Islands are, for the most part, volcanic. Therefore, the islands themselves are the tips of the mountains. Most of the mountain is submerged under the water. And in that, because they are volcanic, they are rock, and they are somewhat solid. In that, there is likely to be much less erosion.

Now, what I would say is that doesn’t mean that there won’t be change in the land mass because of rising water levels, but let me also express to you that rising water levels are different in different places, that it isn’t what you would think. It isn’t that your oceans are at a certain level of water and that they are equal across, and that the water rises and therefore regardless of what land mass is where, the water will rise the same. No, the water doesn’t rise the same, because of the land mass. The water rises more in land masses that are unstable, that are sand or silt. If they are mud, it rises more. If it is rock, it rises less. It rises, but not as much, because that level water equals out and remains level, but some of the land masses are much more submerged than others. And that is definitely a factor of what the land mass is comprised of. If it is rock, it will have a water rise, but not as much. It is the other areas that….they aren’t sinking, but they are being swallowed.

BRIGITT: Florida?

ELIAS: Definitely. Definitely, and other coastal areas. Some areas of Texas, some areas definitely of Louisiana, definitely Florida. These are areas in which the land mass is not of a composition that can support that rising water level. They disintegrate, and they disappear.

BRIGITT: Do you have a timeline for Florida? I went to the Keys and into Florida in February, because I’ve always wanted to see it. And I thought if I don’t do it now, I don’t know when it’s going to be gone, so I want to see it now before it disappears. And it was nice to go. But what would be the timeline in the Keys?

ELIAS: And what was your experience?

BRIGITT: Very different. The Key area, it was much eco-friendly, and actually in north Miami, where we were staying, not at all. I mean, they didn’t even have a recycling program for plastic bottles, which most of the civilized world does. They just… very different outlooks. And I know Florida spends billions of dollars maintaining that beach for tourism. It’s beautiful, there’s a lot of money there. I can’t believe that they’re actually building on that spit of land, the beach between the intercoastal waterway and the ocean, but they’re building like crazy there. And the fact that we know this information, right, is… I wouldn’t do it. So, what would… Do you have a timeline? I know these things shift, but…

ELIAS: I would say that there is a tremendous potential that within the next ten years there would be a considerable change, and it isn’t (chuckles) the type of change that can be fixed.

BRIGITT: Fixed. Yeah.

ELIAS: This is not a fixable situation.


ELIAS: And in this, I would say that there is not much time, and it continues to move very quickly.

Now, in relation to Hawaii and some other Pacific islands, there is a considerable volcanic ring in the Pacific, and wherever that volcanic land masses are, they will be less affected – not that they won’t be affected at all, but they will be less affected.

And what I would say in relation to that is the fortunate aspect of Hawaii is that although they have generated considerable construction through the years, they also have maintained their forests.


ELIAS: And they continue to do so. They continue to express conservation in relation to their forests, and that has been what you would term to be a saving grace for these islands in relation to weather.

BRIGITT: Mm-hm. So, it’ll continue to be consistent as it is?

ELIAS: It will be more consistent than other areas. I would say that it is likely that its climate will change somewhat—not dramatically, but it will be likely several degrees cooler, not as warm as it generally has been pastly, especially in relation to its location in relation to the equator.

That is a piece, that the areas in your world that are closer to the equator, that are closer to that middle of your planet, are likely moving in the direction of being somewhat – not drastically, but somewhat – cooler. The north and the south are becoming somewhat warmer, and the middle is becoming somewhat cooler. Which is what you view as the problem, because all that is required is for it to alter in between 1 and 3 degrees, and that changes the dynamic entirely.

BRIGITT: Okay. A question. How… our economy in Alberta is basically all about oil and gas and oil extraction. How is that affecting? I know it’s a worldwide thing, but is it something that should be stopped? I can’t see it happening. The politics, the economy, everything is so based around that resource that we have, and sometimes there are issues with getting the supply to different markets and pipelines, and there’s a lot of politics. Our neighbor province doesn’t want us to build a pipeline through there and native groups want concessions or don’t want it. And economically, the powers that be see it as a very sound investment, because even if it’s not just used for powering vehicles, there’s petroleum in everything—petroleum products. So, I don’t see that stopping anytime soon. So, what would have to happen for that industry to slow down? I know the province itself would have to find a…maybe go back to agriculture or…

ELIAS: What I would say to you, my friend, is you wouldn’t think that the banks would be leading the way, either.

BRIGITT: That’s true. (Laughs) I wouldn’t think that.

ELIAS: But in that, (pause) (sighs) what I would say to you is remember what I expressed yesterday. There are actually more individuals throughout your world, more people throughout your world that believe climate change and that are expressing in the direction of addressing to it than there are people that don’t. And that is growing.

BRIGITT: That’s good. Yeah.

ELIAS: And in that, for those who don’t, what is most likely is that they face being forced into situations that are contrary to what they are accustomed to and contrary to what they want. And in that, in relation to drilling and fossil fuels and even drilling in relation to gases, these are directions that most of your world is beginning to recognize these are not beneficial any longer. These are leading you in directions that you don’t necessarily want.

Now, as I expressed yesterday, your planet will survive. It will adjust, it will reconfigure, and it will survive. And it will move in its direction regardless of what you do. But that doesn’t mean that it will configure itself in a manner that is sustainable for humans. Therefore, THAT is the question. Not whether you can stop climate change or not, but the question is what do you choose to continue doing that continues to promote these changes that are occurring and exacerbate them, and then place yourselves in a position in which this planet that has been your home for millennia can’t sustain you, can’t support you, not in the manner that you require.

In that, what I would say is that because the masses that agree with climate change and are looking at that in a more realistic manner and are actually moving in directions to address to it, that will hit eventually, but not in a distant future—in a relatively soon future. That will hit these countries that are being stubborn and that are holding to maintaining: the United States, Canada, there are some other countries that also are holding to what is familiar, and they will be discovering themselves in a position in which if they will not do it willingly, masses are persuasive, and they have the ability to force compliance. And that would likely happen if the compliance isn’t generated willingly.

Therefore, at this point, it becomes a question of you either discover manners that are alternative and change, or you will be experiencing some drama, because that is how your world is moving. And in that, I understand that there are many places in your world that their economies are very much based and tied to gas and fossil fuels and coal. And in that, that will change.

And in that, the choices are not whether it will change or not but whether you will be kicking and screaming with the choices or whether you will move with them.

And I understand what you are expressing, because as I said, there are many places that actually depend on these elements, these resources, that still move in those directions that those are a significant part of their world.

BRIGITT: We just had a provincial election, and they elected the party that was going to get the pipelines going, and it was all based on that because it’s all economics, right? Where I am, it’s more important, I guess, for the economy than it is for climate change at the moment in this scenario. There are, of course, people that know better and people that are against it and stuff, but… And we have a carbon tax, and I really don’t know if a carbon tax actually contributes to the lessening of the carbon in the area or… it doesn’t, does it?


BRIGITT: Yeah. So, it’s… I don’t know.



ELIAS: Let me express to you in this term: placing a tax on cigarettes was not what influenced diminishing people from smoking.

BRIGITT: True enough. Yeah.

ELIAS: Increasing the price of cigarettes is not necessarily a deterrent for people to be continuing to be smoking. Health becomes more of an incentive, and the threat and the fear of dis-ease becomes more of an incentive. Fear is an excellent incentive.

BRIGITT: (Laughs) Yes, it is.

ELIAS: And it motivates humans very well. But in relation to money, placing more tariffs, more taxes on anything doesn’t necessarily deter humans from continuing to incorporate them.

BRIGITT: This is true. Yeah. This is true. Well, we will see what happens. I wonder if I’ll still be there. Is something going to be happening in the next five years, do you think? Not that I… I’m assuming that I’m going to be working and be in the same location for the next five years. I could change my mind or some miracle could happen.

ELIAS: You could. Or you could remain for five years and then—

BRIGITT: See what happens.


BRIGITT: Run when it starts. (Elias laughs) When Alberta decides to separate from the rest of Canada because the federal government… Anyway, it’s going to be interesting. (Both laugh) Gosh.

Okay, what else do I have here? So, the science wave, there’s a lot of power to it, a lot of energy. It’s very energetic. How can I use that—

ELIAS: All of them do.

BRIGITT: That’s true.

ELIAS: But yes.

BRIGITT: The last one I didn’t like. (Both laugh) Well, I just hate authority, the issues with authority. I don’t know. Did I get anything from that?


BRIGITT: Okay. Good. I dislike my boss less? (Laughs)

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

BRIGITT: Not that I dislike him, but it’s just… I don’t know. It’s just… You know, irksome. I don’t like to follow orders. (Both laugh)

So, what can I do with the science wave to benefit me? Like, learn how to break some rules? (Laughs)

ELIAS: (Chuckles) I would say that for you, it isn’t necessarily about breaking rules; it is more about others breaking rules and you being less bothered by that. Therefore, what I would say to you is, I would encourage you tremendously to use the energy and the power of this wave to practice being more flexible, more bendable.


ELIAS: I would actually encourage you to do that physically also. And when you do it physically, to be expressing a reinforcement to yourself that you are doing this with everything.

BRIGITT: Oh that’s… You know what? I do yoga every morning, every weekday morning before I go to work for fifteen minutes, as soon as I get out of bed, to get the kinks out. And I really enjoy it. And so now, use that to…

ELIAS: And expand it to include more movements, more flexibility, more bendability, more different positions, perhaps even more inversions. And in that, with every movement, be reinforcing to yourself that you will be practicing applying that throughout your day, in being flexible throughout your day with every situation, and even in some situations to allow yourself to experiment and practice with inverting them, turning them upside down.

BRIGITT: In my perception, or…?


BRIGITT: Okay. I can do that.

ELIAS: Or engaging them in the opposite manner.

BRIGITT: Okay. Okay, I’ll give that a go. (Elias laughs)

Am I more or less present more of the time than not?

ELIAS: Much more of the time than you were previously. Definitely. I very much am acknowledging of you in that.

BRIGITT: Okay. So, I basically know what I am doing, except the odd time when I get beat up by a street person or… (Laughs)

ELIAS: Which I would say that even in that, and as I acknowledged you previously in that, it wasn’t necessarily that you weren’t being present or that you weren’t aware. You were. You were observing and—

BRIGITT: And I put myself in the path.


BRIGITT: And I know I did. I was aware I was doing it the second after. You know what I mean?


BRIGITT: I made the decision. I didn’t think about the decision, but I was aware I made the decision.

ELIAS: Precisely. Yes. And in that, you were aware of what you were doing once you were doing it. It wasn’t that you were planning it, but you definitely were being present while you were engaging.

BRIGITT: Yeah. I sort of remember making the choice, even though it wasn’t in thought. Yeah.

ELIAS: Which I very much acknowledge.

BRIGITT: Yeah. Thanks. Curiosity, that’s going to kill me, you know? (Laughs)

ELIAS: Or not!

BRIGITT: You never know what I’m going to be curious about next.

ELIAS: But it didn’t kill you.

BRIGITT: This is true. Yeah, I think I trust myself well enough that no permanent harm would come. (Both laugh) I shake my head.

So, any other advice for me? I think we have some… I have no idea how much time we have, but… (Both laugh)

ELIAS: I would say that you are moving quite well.

BRIGITT: Okay. Thank you.

ELIAS: And yes, my advice is to practice that flexibility. That will be tremendously beneficial to you.

BRIGITT: Okay. Yeah. I do have this routine that I’m getting bored with. It’s security, it’s safety, it’s comfort because I sort of know what I’m doing, but it’s… it’s very structured, right? But I’m getting bored with it. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Then practice altering it in increments, little by little. Each day do something different.

BRIGITT: Yeah. Yeah.

ELIAS: Something that you wouldn’t normally do.

BRIGITT: Yes. If you have an impulse or something like that. Imagination.

ELIAS: You don’t have to be that dramatic. Be simple. Change one small action. If you are very routine oriented, change one piece of your routine. If you eat lunch at the same time at the same place every day, eat lunch at 15 minutes different time and somewhere else. If you walk to work, choose one alternate street. If you—

BRIGITT: Yeah. I have two or three different ways I can go. And I do, I vary them and stuff, but it doesn’t… I don’t know.

ELIAS: But while you are doing that, pay attention differently. Choose something else to pay attention to. Don’t simply walk home, or don’t simply walk on an alternate route and generate walking in the manner that you normally do. Do something different. Entertain yourself in a different manner. Pay attention to something different each time. I would say that when you are at home, choose small actions. Whatever you are doing in your mundane routines throughout the day, pay attention, notice and then stop and think: how am I doing this? And then do it differently.

BRIGITT: All right.

ELIAS: That gives you the opportunity to practice being flexible.

BRIGITT: Right. Okay. I can do that. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: Yes, you can.

BRIGITT: Yes, I can. But will I? (Both laugh) I will. Yeah. I could do that. Much more so in the summer, because in the winter the coming to and from work is just… Yeah, it’ll be the car because it’s cold outside, so it’s the same way. (Laughs) Ah. Anyway. Yeah, I really have nothing to complain about. But I… yeah, I need to be more flexible, I agree. And it’s not that I don’t think I’m inflexible personality-wise or inflexible with the rules that much. I don’t think I expect everyone to conform to my way of being, do I?

ELIAS: That isn’t the point.


ELIAS: It isn’t that you expect everyone to conform to your way of being. When I was expressing about rules, it is more that whether you are expressing in a certain manner or not, there are certain behaviors that you expect other people, ALL other people, to do or not do. Such as…I will offer two different examples.

Such as, if you are a farmer and you incorporate a considerable amount of livestock, and your livestock is generated as your income, and mass producing that livestock is your income, you don’t necessarily think about rules per se. And let us say that as that farmer, with your livestock, that you don’t necessarily engage that livestock in what you think of as an abusive capacity, but let us say you simply don’t engage it at all. You don’t think about these animals as animals—you think about them as commodities, and therefore you don’t entertain ideas about thinking and feelings in relation to animals. You simply view them or perceive them as livestock. These are commodities.

Now; let us say that a small group of other individuals visit your farm and they are expressing in manners towards your livestock, engaging with them and interacting with them and expressing emotionally with them, and let us say even compassionately with them. This is breaking your rules as the farmer: these are not pets, they are livestock. And in that, you, this farmer doesn’t necessarily think that everyone must conform to his behavior or behave in the same manner as he does, but if other individuals behave in significantly different manners by engaging with his livestock in very emotional manners, it likely would be annoying, because these individuals are breaking the rules. They wouldn’t be fawning over a table, and the livestock to the farmer is the same as a table.

In a contrary manner, if you are an animal advocate, an activist in that, and you are engaging a walk in your neighborhood and you witness an individual running out of their home chasing an animal and beating it, you would be horrified. And you would be expressing a considerable judgment, because this individual is breaking YOUR rule. It isn’t that you expect that individual to be an activist, it isn’t that you expect that other individual to do the same actions as you do or be the same as you, but you do expect them to adhere to certain behaviors and not engage certain behaviors.


ELIAS: They don’t have to be an activist. They don’t have to be a conservationist. They don’t have to love animals. They don’t have to have animals. But if they do have animals, then they are expected to behave with them with respect.


ELIAS: That is different. It isn’t that you expect them to be you.


ELIAS: Or to be like you. But you have rules about behavior that EVERYONE is expected to adhere to. It doesn’t matter who they are, what country they live in, what culture they come from, the world in general is expected to follow these rules of behavior. And when they don’t, then that is unacceptable.

BRIGITT: Ethics, right?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking.

BRIGITT: Yes. I think.


BRIGITT: Ethically. Everyone wants everyone to behave ethically, morally, do as you would be done by.

ELIAS: Yes. But let me express that each person thinks that their ethics are universal, but they aren’t.

BRIGITT: It’s true. Yeah.

ELIAS: The farmer’s ethics are different from your ethics, therefore, it isn’t an absolute. But you enact and express these un-thought-about, undefined rules as if they are absolute and universal. And that is what requires more flexibility, to not be so absolute like that. That when differences occur, you don’t have to understand them but that you aren’t automatically bothered by them.

BRIGITT: How is that going to show up in the world?

ELIAS: It shows up one individual at a time, and where it can begin being displayed with you would be with your boss.

BRIGITT: Oh yes. Yeah. We certainly have different outlooks on things, yes. (Laughs)

ELIAS: And you don’t have to understand them.

BRIGITT: No. That’s true. Yeah, I guess I don’t have to. Yeah.

ELIAS: But that they aren’t bothersome to you.

BRIGITT: I’m actually getting a little bit better at that.

ELIAS: Which is excellent.

BRIGITT: Yeah. I have noticed that over the last few weeks, few months.

ELIAS: Excellent.

BRIGITT: That I know that I’m reacting. It’s like, “Oh, give it up. There’s no point in this. Years, it’s been.”

ELIAS: Congratulations! And that is shifting what is important.

BRIGITT: Yeah. Yeah. So, we’ll see where it goes from here. It’s interesting.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Excellent!

BRIGITT: Thanks.

ELIAS: Congratulations, my friend.

BRIGITT: Thank you.

ELIAS: And you may offer my greetings to your son.

BRIGITT: I will. I will. (Elias chuckles) He’s going to have quite an adventure now. So, he’s moving again. He got his business cards printed that you recommended.

ELIAS: Excellent.

BRIGITT: Yes, and he’s not… doesn’t have any formal clients yet, but he's practicing on a couple of his arm-wrestling friends.

ELIAS: Excellent.

BRIGITT: Counselling them. Yeah. Getting some confidence, I think, so…

ELIAS: Excellent.

BRIGITT: Yeah. Yeah.

ELIAS: Very well. And you can express I shall be anticipating our next meeting also.

BRIGITT: I will. Okay.

ELIAS: And I extend that to you, also.

BRIGITT: Thank you.

ELIAS: In tremendous friendship and great lovingness, as always, au revoir.

BRIGITT: Au revoir.

(Elias departs after 59 minutes)