Session 3240

“Fish in the Energy Pool”
“Pain and Counterpart Action”
“Crystals and Their Use”
“Sleep Habits”

Wednesday, August 13, 2014 (Private/In Person)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Rodney (Zacharie)

(Elias’ arrival time is unavailable.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

RODNEY: Good morning to you! (Both laugh) I’m here again.

ELIAS: And what shall we discuss this day?

RODNEY: Oh, the world, me, everyone.

ELIAS: The world! (Both laugh)

RODNEY: I’ve got a whole bunch of stuff here.

ELIAS: Very well.

RODNEY: Now, I thought you would ask me what I’ve accomplished lately.


RODNEY: So I’d like to say, I’ve been noticing whenever I go to do something, my energy pool has got a lot of fish in it. So I’m noticing. I’m noticing those fish more. And the effect that that has on whatever action I’m going to do, like – this is silly, this is very silly, mundane stuff – which is the best place to see it, I’m finding out. Okay. So I’m eighty-one. I’ve never been very good at balancing. So if I’m standing and I’m putting on my pants or taking them off, you’ve got to stand on one foot. Well, I’ve never been able to stand on one foot. I went to a yoga class once and fell over trying to stand on one foot, right? (Elias chuckles)

Well, so what goes through your mind? I’m getting old, right? I can’t do it, all of that shit. Well, I’ll tell you something. If you’re aware of all of those fish going around, you can start getting rid of them, just by focusing. Where do I want to put my attention? There. I stand on one foot, take my pants off.

And I’m moving that into other areas, like I play Spider Solitaire. It’s a game where there’s no guarantee that you could even possibly win, no matter how well you played it. All right? So it’s not like Sudoku, where you know there’s an answer. In Spider Solitaire there may not be an answer.

I discovered that when I’ve finished watching a movie and I’m going to go to bed at night, I can’t stop one thing and start another without wasting some time. Right? Like, have a cigarette, or do this or do that. So I would play Spider Solitaire. When I did that at night, I’d never win. Never! Play it in the morning, I’ve got a good shot.

So I started looking at the fish. I started focusing my attention. If my focus, my intent, is clear enough, it’s not how I’m going to play, or whether or not I’m going to get a reasonable deck of cards, I’m going to win. I’m going to go to the end, because the fun part is figuring out where to move the cards. I win when I do that. So this is paying attention to the very subtle thoughts that are floating around when you do very mundane things.

ELIAS: Which is key.

RODNEY: And it really works. Now I’m figuring out, how can I enlarge the pay shirt. I’m working on a lottery. But that’s a fun game. All right? So I’m not, I don’t want to win the lottery because I can buy all this stuff, because that’s going to be too big a distraction. But it’s a game, because I like to play with money. That’s all. So we’ll see what happens.

ELIAS: Congratulations.

RODNEY: Thank you. Now, I’d like to get this off the table. Twice in the last ten days, two weeks, I had extremely severe abdominal pains. Like forget it, totally paralyzed. It had something to do with my intestines but that wasn’t exactly it, either. I finally laid in bed, and I’d been fighting, fighting, fighting it, and it came to me, what happens if I don’t fight it? Move your attention, I said. So I started allowing the pain. And by allowing I mean almost invite it. Invite, experience the pain, as vividly as you can. Allowing, without any judgment about it, it began to subside. It went away.

ELIAS: Congratulations again.

RODNEY: Now the question is, the last time, because I don’t know the date of the first time, but the second time it was on the same date that Mary put herself in the hospital. So, is that a counterpart action? Do I have a counterpart action going with Mary?

ELIAS: Temporarily, yes.

RODNEY: Temporarily. Okay. Does that come in and out of focus, or…?


RODNEY: All right. Next question regarding that, if there’s a counterpart, is it going both ways?

ELIAS: Not always, but in this situation, yes.

RODNEY: It did go both ways.


RODNEY: Because I was kidding her. I said, “You’ve got to stop getting sick” (Both laugh) Right? And she says, “Yeah, Donalee tells me I’ve got to last forever, live forever,” you know. She had three things. (Elias laughs) So am I generating tension that she’s feeling, and she’s generating tension that I’m feeling?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. No. With these types of counterpart actions, when you generate the same types of experiences…

RODNEY: Right.

ELIAS: …generally what is occurring is – remember, the basis of a counterpart action is that one individual will generate an experience objectively, physically, and the other will benefit from that experience without generating the experience. That is the basis of counterpart action.

Now; in this type of counterpart action, one individual connects with the other and shares the objective experience to a degree, to alleviate the other’s experience.

RODNEY: To alleviate it?


Now; in this, what I would inquire of you is only for you to state the answer. The discomfort or the pain that you experienced was in what area of your body consciousness?

RODNEY: The abdomen.

ELIAS: What area of the abdomen?

RODNEY: Ah. Central.

ELIAS: Central.

RODNEY: Central and maybe a little bit lower. Not high, but lower.

ELIAS: Very well.

Now; the reason that I asked that question is to generate an illustration for you. In this, Michael has been creating two physical manifestations, one with the intestines and one with the gall bladder. They are triggering off each other.

Now; in this, both of them combined would be EXTREMELY overwhelming. The physical discomfort or pain that would be experienced with both of those physical manifestations at the same time would be to an extent that the body consciousness would, in a manner of speaking, shut down. Meaning you are aware that in certain situations if an individual is generating an extreme pain, they can very easily, in your terms, lose consciousness.


ELIAS: They…

RODNEY: I wasn’t quite there. But I was border-line.

ELIAS: I am understanding. But I am not speaking of that…

RODNEY: Right.

ELIAS: …particularly yet.


ELIAS: In generating the combination of these two manifestations simultaneously, the discomfort would be so extreme that it would have generated that type of action, in which the body consciousness would have shut down.


ELIAS: The objective awareness would be shut.

RODNEY: Got it.

ELIAS: Which would create that.

RODNEY: He’d pass out.



ELIAS: Now; in this, this is how you fit into the picture, in that counterpart action. In YOU generating the experience of one of the manifestations…

RODNEY: Right. Okay.

ELIAS: …that alleviates one with Michael.

RODNEY: The intestines, probably.

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.


ELIAS: And in that, Michael is experiencing the one with the gall bladder and you experience the other…

RODNEY: I just got an impression, because I had heard that Mary had not been well prior to this incident. And I directed myself to lend whatever energy I could to help her. This was the result of my doing that. Okay. End of story.


RODNEY: Thank you very much.


RODNEY: (Laughs) Very interesting.

ELIAS: Once again, be careful what you wish for. (Rodney laughs) But I would express that that was a significant action, for although you chose to incorporate the experience yourself in that counterpart action, which alleviates it objectively from the other individual, they do incorporate the experience, in a manner of speaking, by proxy through you, but not objectively. And by doing so, you did generate a significant contribution to Michael in preventing that other action…

RODNEY: From happening.

ELIAS: Correct.

RODNEY: And my allowing it.

ELIAS: Yes. Has also, in that process, you assumed it, therefore you addressed to it.

RODNEY: Got you.

ELIAS: And in you addressing to it, Michael did not experience it.

RODNEY: So if you want to heal somebody, be ready to get your hands dirty. (Both laugh) Oh, what a world! Thank you.

ELIAS: That is one method. (Both laugh)

RODNEY: Right. Thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

RODNEY: Okay. The action that my sinuses play in my awareness, I watch the movies, right, on Netflix, not so much… and some TV shows, too. I can be going through the action of whatever is being displayed and all of a sudden somebody will say something. There’ll be an action, let me put it that way. It’s almost always between two people or one person expressing. Out of nowhere, I’ll get a profound emotional state. It’s just like instantaneous. And it… and I’ve trained myself to ask for the message. And I totally get it. Sometimes it’s a sinus flare. It’s just like this grip between my eyes. It just goes woomp. Not overly painful, but very pronounced. And it’s like everything opens up. And it doesn’t last for very long, seconds maybe. What is that? Is that the same as an emotional trigger?


RODNEY: It’s a signal.

ELIAS: It is a release.

RODNEY: A release? Of tension?

ELIAS: And energy. Yes. In that, just as you may incorporate an emotional expression and you may be prompted to weep, or you may feel, even if you do not weep, a TREMENDOUS emotional feeling. This action that you are expressing is very similar.


ELIAS: For it is the body consciousness reacting and generating a release of energy in an intensity, but quickly.

RODNEY: Got you. Okay. Good. Incidentally…

ELIAS: But emotional feelings are very similar, which is…

RODNEY: They are generally pleasant. Sometimes, I can’t say all of the time.

ELIAS: It matters not, whether it is pleasant or unpleasant. There is no difference, other than how you label them.

RODNEY: Oh. Okay.

ELIAS: But the action itself is an expression, a signal, and an expression of release…

RODNEY: At the same time.

ELIAS: …in that feeling that you generate, which is the signal, emotionally.

RODNEY: Right.

ELIAS: Your body consciousness does a very similar action with physical manifestations. It releases very similarly. The point with emotional expressions, that most individuals have not quite connected to in genuinely understanding yet, is that emotional feelings are designed to function in the same manner. Just as you express you recognize and you notice this feeling with your sinuses and that it may be intense but that it generally incorporates a duration of a few seconds.

RODNEY: Right.

ELIAS: It is enough to notice, but it does not linger.


ELIAS: Feelings are the same. You merely generate a very different association with them, with emotional feelings, and therefore what you do automatically, is you generate the feeling, which in actuality only endures for a few seconds.

RODNEY: And then you remember it.

ELIAS: Yes. (Rodney laughs) And then you think about it.


ELIAS: And you reproduce it.

RODNEY: Got you.

ELIAS: And therefore it seems…

RODNEY: Like it’s…

ELIAS: …that it’s lingering.

RODNEY: Right.

ELIAS: But in actuality, the actual signal, the actual emotional feeling only occurs for a few seconds.

RODNEY: That lingering doesn’t last very long, either.

ELIAS: No. But what is significant, in very similar manner to what you were expressing previously, in relation to noticing the fish in the mundane actions in your day, if you can actually pay attention to a physical feeling, such as the sinuses, or even an actual physical feeling of, let us say, dropping a heavy object on your toe…

RODNEY: Oh, thank you. Yes. (Laughs)

ELIAS: In this, if you are actually paying attention to that physical feeling, you notice that, as intense as it may be, as much as you may scream from the intense pain of that feeling physically, it literally will dissipate and stop within less than one minute. Therefore, it only endures for seconds.


ELIAS: In that, if you can actually pay attention…

RODNEY: To the pain.

ELIAS: …and notice physical discomforts and how quickly they dissipate, regardless of their intensity, you can begin to translate that and notice that emotional feelings are the same. They do not endure any longer than a physical pain. And with physical pain, such as with your intestines, the difficulty with that type of pain, for most individuals, is that it is in actuality a pulsing pain.

RODNEY: Right.

ELIAS: What occurs is the physical feeling pulses. It creates discomfort or pain for a duration of seconds. It stops. Then it begins again.

RODNEY: Right.

ELIAS: In that, what the difficulty for most individuals is is that they don’t notice the in-between. They do not notice the stop-start, stop-start, stop-start. They only view that the pain is ongoing. Therefore, they perceive it as being constant. Physical pain is never constant. It is always a pulse. And it endures, literally, for seconds.

Now; there may be only seconds between the next pulse, and therefore you do not notice that it actually did stop. The point in being aware of that is that it offers you another direction to focus on. What you automatically do is focus on the pain.


ELIAS: And therefore, you perceive it as ongoing. There is no stop. And it becomes very difficult for most individuals to move their attention away from it.

RODNEY: It took me a long while.

ELIAS: But if you are aware that physical pain, any pain, any feeling – feelings are signals. Feelings are not enduring. They are not designed in that manner. They are momentary. Whether they be physical or emotional, they are always momentary. Therefore, if you know that and you know that pain is an expression that pulses, that it endures for seconds but it stops for seconds also…

RODNEY: You can…

ELIAS: You can focus on the seconds that it is NOT being expressed, rather than focusing on the seconds that it IS being expressed.

RODNEY: Okay. Okay. Thank you. Very helpful. I also felt nausea, which is like, I can’t remember when I felt nausea with that abdominal cramps that I had. And that went away. Okay. Let’s talk about something much more light-hearted.

ELIAS: Very well.

RODNEY: Crystals. You had a session with Sandra, back in 2010, and she talked a lot about pendulums. And you gave a lot of good information on that. She asked about size. And you told her that the crystals should be 20 to 25 centimeters long. Elias, that’s 8 to 10 inches. That’s one very large crystal. I had to… I want you to confirm that, because I don’t think I’ve ever seen a core crystal that big.

ELIAS: Remember, there are many…

RODNEY: Well, not a long, slender one, let me put it that way.

ELIAS: There are many of them also. But let me express this to you, Zacharie, for this is an important point.


ELIAS: In relation to this information, and reading transcriptions or listening to the recordings of the conversations that I engage with any individual, there is always information in EVERY interaction that I engage with any individual that will be applicable to anyone. And there is always information in EVERY conversation that will be beneficial and that is helpful or valuable to everyone, to all other individuals. But there is also a factor that is important to remember: that I am, in each conversation other than a group interaction, speaking directly to that particular individual and their particular situation, and addressing to them individually.

RODNEY: I’m aware of that and I thought that.


RODNEY: That’s one reason I brought this up just now.

ELIAS: Yes. Therefore, in relation to specifics such as that, with another individual those specifics may be very different.


ELIAS: For that individual, for that situation, for that individual’s energy and what it was being engaged for and in relation to how that individual’s energy would interplay with crystals, I am specific to that individual in relation to size.

RODNEY: Yeah, because she had been, she had tried a pendulum and she wasn’t getting really great results, and so I can understand that. Okay.

ELIAS: Understand also: in a situation such as this, if I offer that type of specific information to an individual, what would that indicate to you? That indicates that with a smaller crystal that individual will likely not be generating accurate information or results, in a manner of speaking, for the projection of her energy is to such an volume and an extent that it would push a smaller crystal in many different directions.


ELIAS: Whereas a heavier crystal can withstand that volume of energy that is being expressed and not be blown in the wind.

RODNEY: Then the next question is if I were to use a quartz, clear rose or amethyst, I think amethyst is a quartz, isn’t it?


RODNEY: If I personally were to create a pendulum, what length would you suggest it be?

ELIAS: I would express that you could incorporate a pendulum that would be approximately two-thirds the size of your smallest finger.

RODNEY: Two-thirds the size? Oh my goodness! What an interesting measurement. Two-thirds the size, smallest finger.

ELIAS: Yes. And you do understand, different crystals generate different actions?


ELIAS: Therefore, a quartz crystal, an amethyst, and a rose-quartz would all do very different actions.

RODNEY: Yes. The rose quartz works well with body consciousness.

ELIAS: Yes, it does.

RODNEY: The clear quartz is general.

ELIAS: A clear quartz crystal is a conduit. Therefore, it is a bridge.

RODNEY: It’s a bridge.

ELIAS: This is the reason that it is an excellent choice, in relation to pendulums, for it is a conduit. It receives energy and it outputs energy. It serves as that bridge. Therefore you can project energy to it, in let us say a question, or an intention, and it will output energy in the direction of your question or your intention.

RODNEY: The output that I’ve used pendulums for, it’s either a yes-no-maybe. Those three, I’ve used them extremely successfully on a couple of occasions, all right? Once I was lost in the woods and I could’ve got myself in a lot of trouble if I took the wrong fork in the path, right? So I saved my butt with a pendulum. Okay, this is an appropriate use for a… and I asked a… I attuned with the crystal by saying, “Give me a yes-no. Give me a yes. Give me a no.” And then if it goes around in circles won’t settle down to either, it’s a maybe. Is this… ?


RODNEY: Is this a fair use?


RODNEY: All right, going on, then. So, if the issue regards my body consciousness, I use a rose quartz. And the rose quartz is not just transmitting, taking and receiving energy.

ELIAS: That is not its function.

RODNEY: It absorbs.


RODNEY: It absorbs energy.


RODNEY: In the broad sense of using the pendulum. Because you talked to Jean-François India…


RODNEY: …and he’s using it to absorb…

ELIAS: Yes, but not as a pendulum.

RODNEY: Right. That’s why I’m asking you. Would you use rose quartz as a pendulum?


RODNEY: You would not.


RODNEY: Excellent. Or how about an amethyst?

ELIAS: Yes. You could.

RODNEY: You would use it?


RODNEY: Okay, because it transmits also?

ELIAS: Amethyst generates two functions. No, it does not transmit. It amplifies and it identifies.

RODNEY: Amplifies?


RODNEY: And identifies?

ELIAS: Yes. Therefore it points to. If you were to use an amethyst as a pendulum in relation to your physical body consciousness, and you were to pose the question or the intention to find or discover any area of your body consciousness that is disfunctioning or ill at ease, it will find.

RODNEY: It will find it? How would you…? What would be the movement of the pendulum that would allow you to discern that?

ELIAS: What it will generally do is, if you are using it as a pendulum, it will swing in a particular direction and it will rest over the area that is affected.

RODNEY: Oh. So if I were to hold it over my body, it would rest?

ELIAS: It will be still over the areas that are affected. It points to.

RODNEY: It points to?

ELIAS: It identifies.

RODNEY: In other areas it would not be still?

ELIAS: Correct. It would be fluid. But it will point to areas that are being affected and therefore it will rest. It will be still over those areas.

RODNEY: I had a very large chunk of amethyst. It’s eight to ten inches long. Maybe four or five inches wide, which is stored away right now, but I used to have it just out on the window sill. What influence does that have? Or what can I use it for?

ELIAS: As I expressed, it identifies or it amplifies.

RODNEY: But I need to… I need to direct my energy to the amethyst?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. You may notice, especially with a stone of that size, that if it is displayed in a room, if it is not covered, you may begin to notice that in that particular room, or even in that house…

RODNEY: Really!

ELIAS: …that actions seem to be amplified. Such as you may be more clumsy. Or you may be more effective. You may accomplish certain actions easier. Or you may be bumping into walls. In either direction, whatever you are doing, you may begin to notice that the action that you are doing is amplified.

RODNEY: Right. Hmm.

ELIAS: It enhances.

RODNEY: Okay. Okay. Thank you. Good to know.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

RODNEY: I’m particularly interested in two other areas of using crystals. One is in dreaming and the other is you said that lapis…


RODNEY: …was used by the Egyptians in spying on other people. (Laughing)


RODNEY: So that caught my attention. But let’s go to the dreaming first. You mentioned opal and moonstones. Which would be the most effective with me? Or would either, would they be…

ELIAS: Moonstone.

RODNEY: Moonstone?


RODNEY: Okay. Does size matter?


Now; what I would express in that is that with a moonstone you would likely not want to engage too large of a stone.

RODNEY: Not too large?

ELIAS: Correct, for that may enhance the dream state to a point in which it becomes uncomfortable or very confusing.


ELIAS: Therefore you would want to incorporate a stone approximately the size of a silver dollar.


ELIAS: Or slightly smaller.

RODNEY: Really!

ELIAS: But not larger. I would also express that in that, it would be more effective to incorporate a flatter stone…

RODNEY: I was going to ask you about that.

ELIAS: …than one that incorporates more volume. For in that, you can place that under your pillow and not be disturbed by its presence.

RODNEY: Or you could make a necklace out of it or something. Or would you not recommend that? I was going to ask you how close to the body does it have to be?

ELIAS: I would not necessarily recommend incorporating this as a necklace. For it is not necessary for it to be in direct contact with the body consciousness.


ELIAS: Therefore, you can place it under your pillow, or if you incorporate a table that is very close to your bed.

RODNEY: Within an arm’s reach?

ELIAS: Yes. You can place it upon that table, within close proximity to your head.

RODNEY: Right. Is it necessary to attempt a communication, to set an intention with the stone?

ELIAS: No. No.


ELIAS: You are automatically setting that intention, that it is to be used in conjunction with dreams, and you are placing it in a position for that function. Therefore, it is not necessary to incorporate any other intention with it.

RODNEY: What would happen if you were to use an amethyst and a moonstone both at the same time?

ELIAS: You could. In that, what I would suggest is that the amethyst be smaller than the moonstone.


ELIAS: Therefore, it would complement it without generating a disruptive energy.

RODNEY: (Pause) I’m writing this down, because I’m not trusting, with that air conditioner I’m not trusting this recording. (Elias laughs) Smaller than the moonstone. Okay.

Getting on to an even more interesting subject, the lapis. Now, how did the priests use it? Did they… the questions that came up for me, were they wearing the lapis at the time that they were in conversation with someone, or did the someone not even have to be present?

ELIAS: Generally, the other individual would not be present.

RODNEY: Not present. Okay. How big would the lapis have to be?

ELIAS: This would be varying degrees. It is dependent upon what the individual was using it for. And there are varying actions that they engaged with this stone.

It is a connecting stone. It can be used in soothing.

RODNEY: I was going to ask if it could be used like in Reiki or something like that?

ELIAS: Yes. It does incorporate soothing properties, but that is also what lends itself to connecting. For if you are using it in relation to wanting to spy, you want your subject to be relaxed. (Both laugh) And therefore, not guarded.

But in this, I would express that there are different actions that you can engage with this particular stone in relation to its property. One is you can place this stone in water, and heat the water to create a vapor. And the vapor then aids in the action of connecting.

RODNEY: My, my.

ELIAS: Similar to smoke.

RODNEY: The vapor then promotes the connection?


RODNEY: Even if the person’s not present?

ELIAS: Correct.


ELIAS: I would express that…

RODNEY: They’re going to burn me at the stake.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Becoming a fledgling witch! (Both laugh) What I would express to you is that no, the individuals did not always wear this stone, although they did wear it at times, but not always.

RODNEY: Put it in your pocket maybe?

ELIAS: This was more a stone that was viewed to be sacred for its properties, and in that, it was generally set in some type of display.

RODNEY: Right.

ELIAS: Such as gold or silver. And in that, if it was not generated in a display, it was used in sacred bowls.


ELIAS: Which would be used to create the vapor.


ELIAS: Now; a caution.

RODNEY: Please.

ELIAS: In relation to minerals, that it is important that you understand the properties of them and how they interact with stones. Therefore, gold or silver have very different properties. Gold is very powerful. It enhances and infuses whatever it is contacted with, with power. Therefore, if you generate that action of creating the vapor, or more so, creating an incense vapor with a lapis set in gold, it would be very powerful.

RODNEY: Wow! The lapis say it had a clasp on it, a gold clasp, and you used that to make the vapor, it would be that much more powerful.

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

Now; conversely, with silver, that would complement the lapis and would generate a more calming affectingness and soothing, very comforting.

RODNEY: So it would be soothing?

ELIAS: Yes. Silver incorporates a very soothing property.

RODNEY: Got you.

ELIAS: Quieting.

RODNEY: Okay, I could see the lapis in the healing situation very definitely.


RODNEY: I don’t want to go prying in people’s heads. (Elias laughs) I’ve got enough garbage in my own! But it also came up, I realize that Elias is not a person, so he didn’t have thoughts running through his head. But can the lapis be used, because this is a communication. This is a connection. It’s a communication tool. Could it be used with energy gestalts, if I can use that word?


RODNEY: Such as yourself?



ELIAS: Yes. To be connecting with other essences. Yes.

RODNEY: It can be?

ELIAS: Yes. It can also be used to be connecting with other dimensions.

RODNEY: How about animals?


RODNEY: Okay. Wow! I don’t even have to write that down, because I kind of got zapped. (Elias laughs) All right.

We’ve got about five minutes. Time to fly. We’ve been having fun. (Elias laughs)

I get low-level aches in my legs when I sleep at night. If I get up and do yoga and exercise, and bend my knees and so on, I don’t have to do it long, less than five minutes, I go back to bed. It’s okay again. Is that all that is, a lack of…?

ELIAS: Movement. Yes.

RODNEY: Movement. Okay. (Pause) Why…? I get about, lots of times six hours of sleep is average. But it’s one and a half to three at night and three to four in the day. My sleep, I just started this on purpose and then it kind of took its own course.

My night sleep is very, very light. It almost feels like I’m not asleep at times. There are thoughts going through my head. I’m not paying attention to them but I’m aware of them. In the daytime, I’ll get up at… I refuse to get up before four o’clock. Right? But I’m awake at three, three-thirty. I get up at four. Well, by the time twelve o’clock rolls around, you’ve put in a day already. I want to take a nap. I take a nap in the day and it could go three to four and a half hours. And when I sleep during the day, I sleep like a log. I’m really out there. What’s happening here? Just the way I am or…?

ELIAS: Does it distress you?

RODNEY: Not particularly.

ELIAS: Let me express to you…

RODNEY: Can I use it to an advantage somehow?

ELIAS: …it is very natural.

RODNEY: It is natural?



ELIAS: It is very natural. Let me express to you, humans are not naturally expressing their energy and their internal clock, so to speak, in relation to what you have developed in your societies. You have developed a particular schedule for sleep and awake time, based upon what you viewed as practicality.

RODNEY: Okay. Right. Work.

ELIAS: Not only, but even prior to what you view as work, even prior to planters. That in practical terms it was advantageous for you to begin to move in directions of incorporating your awake time within daylight hours and your sleep time within night hours. That was not your original expression.

RODNEY: Really?

ELIAS: And in that, this is the reason that there are so many individuals, the majority of individuals, that incorporate a tendency to be in awake state later and want to sleep later within your morning time framework.

And there are many cultures within your world that accommodate that to an extent, which their day functioning begins much later in the morning hours and they incorporate their day schedule far into the night hours. For that is a much more natural expression for you as humans.

You are merely conditioned to be functioning within certain time frameworks. As a species, naturally it was much more advantageous to you to be more nocturnal, for safety reasons.

RODNEY: Got it. Okay.

ELIAS: In this, this is also the reason that many individuals incorporate difficulties sleeping, for you are forcing yourselves to sleep at a time framework that is not actually natural to your species.

RODNEY: Okay. I’ve got one really quick question. I didn’t ask you about the size of a lapis that I might use. Is the bigger better?

ELIAS: That would be dependent upon what you wanted to do.

RODNEY: Okay. I want to spy on people.

ELIAS: Ha! Now; for spying purposes, that would require a larger stone.


ELIAS: I would express for spying purposes you would want to consider a stone that was approximately the size of your fist.


ELIAS: And in that direction, yes, the larger the better.


ELIAS: And also incorporating the gold along with it, (Rodney chuckles) which would definitely enhance its power.

For other actions, you may incorporate a smaller stone and you can gauge from that size to smaller actions or less intense actions that you would not require as much mass with the stone.

RODNEY: How about communicating with you?

ELIAS: In a communication with myself, I would suggest a stone perhaps half the size of your fist.

RODNEY: Okay. Larger is not better. In other words, it doesn’t have to be.

ELIAS: It does not require it.

RODNEY: Okay. But it wouldn’t hurt if it was?

ELIAS: Correct.

RODNEY: Oh, good.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. But I am always available and I am always with you, regardless. Therefore, it does not require much enhancing to generate that interaction.

RODNEY: Well, what crystal can I use to make ME listen?

ELIAS: (Laughs) That I would express would be the lapis.

RODNEY: (Laughs) Okay. We’ve got to go.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend. I would express this has been a wondrous interaction. (Rodney laughs) Very entertaining. (Laughs)

RODNEY: Thank you.

ELIAS: I express tremendous encouragement to you, in all of your endeavors.

RODNEY: Oh, there are many.

ELIAS: And a great acknowledgement in all of your accomplishments.

RODNEY: Thank you, sir.

ELIAS: Until our next meeting, in wondrous lovingness, in the genuine definition of that, and in tremendous affection accompanying it.

RODNEY: Thank you.

ELIAS: Until our next meeting, au revoir.

RODNEY: Au revoir.

(Elias departs after 1 hour, 5 minutes.)