Session 974

"Accessing Energy Deposits"
"Getting Specifically What You Want: The Chicken Sandwich/Chicken Salad Metaphor"

Friday, December 28, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael), Ben (Albert) and Mike (Mikah)
Elias arrives at 2:21 PM. (Arrival time is 21 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good evening!

BEN: Yes, good evening. (Elias chuckles) How are you, Elias? "As always!" Never mind, I'm not even going to ask. (Elias laughs)

So we're calling you from sunny London, and Mikah and I just thought this might be ... I think actually the last time I talked to you was when Mike and I were in Germany, so it seems like something I like to do when I'm on vacation is talk to you.

ELIAS: (Laughing) And incorporate our interaction in your travels.

BEN: Yes.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! In genuine Ilda fashion.

BEN: Yes! (Both laugh) I'm always kind of at a loss as to what to do during these things, so I have a few questions I'd like to get out of the way first. One was, of course going back to my Oscar suspect list, is Pierre Louys a focus of Michael's?


BEN: So that's the Pierre that you originally were referring to? Because I remember in an early session you kind of went around the room talking about knowing the people in the room as a focus of Oscar and you called Michael "Pierre." That was my impression, so I thought I would ask that.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

BEN: Now, on a similar note, I was talking to Mikah about the similarities between the Bosie focus and the Max Kronberger focus. I was wondering, the story about Raymond Radiguet is kind of similar. Does that have anything to do with me? Is that a focus of mine?

ELIAS: No; but you are correct, similar in tone.

BEN: Because I've been trying to figure out this whole idea about being a focus of essence, about themes or whatever, trying to get a handle on the Albert theme.

ELIAS: Correct, I am understanding. In this...

BEN: But I'm not quite sure, based on what information that I have, how I would put together a theme.

ELIAS: In this process I may also say to you that it is quite common that you may allow yourselves to be recognizing other essences that incorporate similar preferences and similar tones to your own. Which at times may be slightly confusing, but it is merely your allowance of yourself to be recognizing your own energy expression in more of a familiarity.

BEN: I guess the biggest event in my life since I talked to you last was having to do with Vicki/Lawrence. I know you had already given me a message before about nobody's going to be channeling Vicki anytime soon, but I guess I was just trying to find out about my own particular choices in this creation, about what my own particular payoff or whatever would be as far as her choices are concerned.

I never really had too much interest in this idea that we would call talking with the dead or whatever, but I'm thinking that since it's Vicki, being interactive with Lawrence's energy deposit, Vicki's energy deposit, would be something that would be interesting to me now. I'm wondering if that might be along the lines of my payoff?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct in what you are creating within your individual reality and your participation in this action, allowing yourself a familiarity and, in a manner of speaking, a comfort in that familiarity with this other essence and in particular with this particular focus of essence, that you may avoid generating an expression of fear in relation to opening to energy deposits that are expressed by other essences. For if you are allowing yourself to be experimenting with this action, you shall be noticing that comfort in familiarity with Lawrence's energy expression.

Now; I shall express to you, do not confuse the energy deposits with what you may identify as a direct interaction between yourself and that focus of attention of Lawrence which has disengaged, for that focus of attention is presently NOT moving its attention in the direction of being directly interactive through the layers of consciousness in association with your physical dimension. Therefore, what you shall allow yourself to be interactive with are energy deposits, and perhaps if allowing yourself an openness temporarily or briefly you may allow yourself to be experiencing energy waves which are being generated by that focus of Lawrence. But as to an actual interaction in the manner which is familiar to you within physical focus, this shall not be being expressed presently.

BEN: Well, let me ask you, if for whatever reason I decided here's a good chance for me to try to become interactive with an energy deposit, other than just wanting to do it is there any other suggestion you could make? The other thing is, what's the purpose of one, anyway? I mean, what would I hope to find out by becoming interactive with him?

ELIAS: What shall be benefited in this type of action is an allowance of an objective familiarity with your individual abilities to be generating this type of action, which allows you a validation and a trust within your abilities to be creating this type of action in relation to other energies or other essences and other aspects of your own energy.

Therefore, this is merely another type of exploration, or exercise in experimentation, in an objective manner in relation to the abilities that you naturally incorporate but have not necessarily allowed yourself to view and experience previously, which is beneficial in expanding your objective awareness of self.

As to any information that you may be offering to yourself in relation to Lawrence, this is inconsequential.

BEN: Okay, I'll just have the idea that this is taking place. I'll have the impression that that's actually what's going on.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: And that will just be trusting my own abilities that this can occur or is occurring?

ELIAS: Correct. And you may, if allowing yourself, experience actual physical interaction of energies, for the energy deposit is quite real and therefore the energy that is expressed in these energy deposits generates movement which may be sensed quite physically, in like manner to your awareness of any other physical energy which is expressed within your physical dimension and your environment.

BEN: You mean just like anything else I would sense physically, like the wind or heat or anything like that?

ELIAS: Yes. I may express to you, Albert, at times within physical focus you may be aware of physical energy presences without engaging your outer senses of sight or of hearing, but your sense of touch provides for the objective awareness of the energy interaction.

Many times individuals within physical focus experience this type of sensation which is a physical interaction of energy fields within sleep state, knowing the presence of another individual within their physical proximity, and thusly awakening themselves in response to the physical interaction which stimulates the touch sense in physical manifestation without an actual physical matter touch. Are you understanding?

BEN: Yes. Along the same lines, you talk about being more comfortable with my own abilities or conflict or ... I mean, I would imagine at some level this could possibly help me deal with the concept of my own disengagement.

Because I can only relate this to the same situation, but in the past couple of years it seems to be getting worse. I am more and more uncomfortable or afraid to fly, and of course I'd certainly like to be over the concept of my own death or whatever, but I'm not quite sure what's intensifying that situation.

ELIAS: And I may also express to you that in allowing yourself to engage an interaction with these energy expressions of Lawrence, you may provide yourself with more of an ease in relation to not merely the action of death or disengagement and offer yourself more of a comfort in that action, but also, in continuing within your physical expression in accessing Lawrence's energy expressions, you may ease your discomfort in relation to flying. Which is not an accident, for Lawrence incorporated great curiosity and excitement in relation to this particular action, which in energy may now be translated in helpfulness in association with your apprehension concerning this action.

BEN: I know you're going to tell me that there's no method necessary for me to do this, but is it simply just a willingness or a wanting to be interactive with this energy?

ELIAS: And an allowance of relaxation which shall generate more of an expression of openness within your energy. You may incorporate some aspects of your exercises that you have incorporated to allow you a method, so to speak, in generating a type of meditative relaxation as in conjunction with your yoga exercises.

BEN: Yes, physical relaxation I can handle. Mental relaxation doesn't come as easily.

ELIAS: In the incorporation of the physical action, you may allow yourself also to be distracted enough to be incorporating a relaxation to be opening to the allowance of the interaction.

This also is an expression of energy that may be connected with in the energy expression that Lawrence has offered, for there has been incorporated similar physical expressions and experience through this particular method of relaxation through exercise. Therefore, there is a familiarity in energy between the two.

BEN: Another quick question, which you just made me think of. What's the significance of you starting to call me "ahl-BAIR" after originally calling me "AL-bert"?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) This is a preference of Michael and Lawrence. (Grinning)

BEN: In what sense?

ELIAS: It is merely a preference in pronunciation expressed in the energy that Michael and Lawrence incorporate in interaction with myself. Therefore, it has been responded to.

BEN: Do I have a focus where my name is Albert (ahl BAIR)?


BEN: Only one? (Pause)

ELIAS: Three.

BEN: Mike, you want to talk to him?

MIKE: Hello! (Elias chuckles) Hello?

ELIAS: WELCOME, my friend!

MIKE: Thank you!

ELIAS: How shall we proceed?

MIKE: Well, let's see. I have a broad question, but several specific areas within this general area. So I'm not really sure if I should ask you the broad question, then the specific question ... I think I'll ask you a specific question, how's that?

ELIAS: Very well.

MIKE: I'm in a place right now, for the last few months, where I've been juggling a set of creations where I've been having a somewhat difficult time with getting specifically what I want.

I've got a metaphor, a brilliant metaphor, about ordering something off the menu, for instance a chicken sandwich, and the waitress brings chicken salad instead. All the elements are there, you have the lettuce, the tomato, some sauce, the chicken, even some bread, but the presentation of what I ordered is not what I want, necessarily. The elements are there, but the presentation of it is not necessarily what I had a taste for. I'm curious as to why I'm doing this.

ELIAS: To be presenting yourself physical objective examples of translation, translation of thought, and to allow yourself the objective examples as methods, so to speak, in allowing yourself to be turning your attention more clearly to choice, and understanding that although your thinking moves in conjunction with what you are choosing and your direction, your thinking is a translation. Therefore, there is an element of abstractness in thought.

Now; I am not expressing to you that thought is as abstract as objective imagery, but there is an element of abstractness.

Now; in presenting yourself with these types of expressions of objective imagery, you allow yourself to recognize that thought, although it is reality, it is not solid. It is not absolute. Therefore, as a translation it is not as black and white as you assess it to be.

Let me express to you, Mikah, you have become very familiar with the action of holding your attention upon the mechanism of thought and incorporating a precise analytical movement in relation to thought. But in that action you have also created an association which is quite solid and moves quite easily into an expression of absolute, black and white. Therefore in your movement into these concepts that we are speaking of now, you are providing yourself with imagery that allows you somewhat of an ease in that familiar action of analyzation, to be viewing the lack of absoluteness in association with thought and allowing yourself to move more into a recognition of how the translating mechanism moves in association with choosing.

Now; I may also express to you, presently you are quite paralleling Michael in this time framework in your action of movement. You image in different manners, but once again you are creating very similar movement and in this offering energy to each other in the accomplishment.

MIKE: What, like counterparts?

ELIAS: Temporarily, yes. These are difficult concepts to be objectively recognizing and moving into an actual knowing of reality, and in this each of you are generating a very similar movement in a similar direction concerning these concepts. Therefore, temporarily you are engaging a counterpart action to be offering energy to each other to be allowing for a greater objective understanding of these concepts as reality.

MIKE: So back to this translation thing. What you're saying is that when I'm saying that I want a chicken sandwich, that's a translation that I really desire a chicken salad, and so I create a chicken salad?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. What you want are the components. How you configure them in these types of situations is a choice to be offering yourself examples of how the thought aspect of yourself is not necessarily in opposition or off the mark with the choice aspect of yourself, but may be translating slightly differently. The components are the same, [but] the configuration of the translation may be configured slightly differently. This is not to say that you are not creating what you want, but you are offering yourself the opportunity to view that thought is not absolute.

This is a confusing area for many, many, many individuals, for you very easily move into the absolutes in your translations and the black and white. You create a thought process and express to yourself, "I want this specific object; I want this specific thing; I want this specific action or interaction." I am expressing to you, your thoughts concerning what you want may be accurate, but aspects of the specifics may not necessarily be as accurate.

You may want, in this one example, these components and your translation may be that you want these components to be configured in a specific manner, but in actuality the configuration of the components is not as significant as the components themselves. Are you understanding?

You have provided yourself with this type of example for within your movement presently this is not an intrusive or tremendously conflicting type of imagery that shall be disruptive of your movement or generating a tremendous expression of conflict or frustration. Therefore, you choose to be imaging in this manner.

I may express to you, Michael is also generating new understandings of this type of movement objectively. And once again, as I have suggested previously, I am encouraging of you to be interactive with Michael, for this may be reinforcing to you each. Not that you may incorporate a greater understanding individually, for you are already beginning to generate your own individual understandings of this movement quite effectively, but in interaction with each other you may be generating a reinforcement and a validation of what you are accomplishing.

MIKE: I see. Okay, I'm having an issue with doing that, only because it turns out to be a one-sided conversation because we have nothing in common, which makes it very difficult. So to have a conversation with her where I'm actually speaking my part of it is actually kind of difficult. Is it possible that you could tell me someone else that maybe I could have a little bit more of an interactive conversation with that I could get the same sort of benefit out of, creating the least conflict scenario here?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Very well. (Pause) You may engage interactive expression with Jale or with Shynla. Although I shall express to you, perhaps you shall engage the same type of expression with Shynla that you incorporate with Michael, which may be worthy of your attention.

MIKE: Ah, yes. That would be enough for another session, I'm sure. (Elias laughs) All right.

I have a specific creation that has helped me understand everything you have told me. It puts a lot of stuff into perspective, but the configuration of this creation has become quite annoying. You tell me that it's not disruptive of my reality; I beg to differ. It has become quite disruptive to my reality.

I have created a relationship with another individual in which everything is just fine and kosher except the fact that I have to share this individual, which is an issue of mine that I don't understand where it comes from, what it is, but it is quite disruptive. I'm wondering if you could shed some light on this.

ELIAS: In association with relationship?

MIKE: Yes.

ELIAS: I am understanding. And shall you attempt in this moment to express to myself what you are generating as the obstacle?

MIKE: What's the obstacle?

ELIAS: In cooperation with this individual.

MIKE: The what? Say that again.

ELIAS: In cooperation with this individual, for you are both expressing the same obstacle and therefore you are reflecting to each other.

MIKE: We are reflecting to each other! This is interesting. See, this goes back to this conversation we've just had about creating exactly what you want.

ELIAS: Ah, but pay attention to yourself, Mikah. This is NOT the same as what we have been discussing in this other example. That is merely an experimentation to offer you information concerning how the choosing aspect of you and how the thinking aspect of you move. This is another situation, in which you are actually generating an obstacle in relation to protection.

MIKE: Obstacle in relation to protection?
ELIAS: Yes, of self.

MIKE: Okay, please expand, expound.

ELIAS: Each of you are expressing an energy of protection concerning yourselves, and this is being expressed concerning your own expectations of yourselves. Not necessarily of the other individual, although this is beginning to be expressed also, but for the most part you are generating expectations concerning yourselves and a fear in association with your own expressions, not allowing yourself the freedom to be expressing what you want fully without expectations and also incorporating aspects of obligation and what you view to be right and what you view to be wrong.

MIKE: Interesting. And it all goes back to protection from self?

ELIAS: Protection OF self, which translates in many, many different types of expressions. For you shall justify your protection of self and reflect this outwardly in cooperation with the other individual in many types of expressions: that you wish not to be hurtful, that you wish not to be intrusive, that you are not deserving, that your expression is inadequate, that this is an incorrect action for you are intruding into possessed territory. (Mike laughs)

It matters not, Mikah. It is an offering to yourself to view your freedom and whether you allow yourself what you view as the risk of your own freedom. In this, view the interaction and the expressions of the other...

MIKE: Yes, it's very clear right now as you're talking.

ELIAS: ...of the other individual in expression to you and the fear that is expressed and the doubt of self that is expressed to generate the ability to be creating their choices efficiently without the direction of the third individual or without the net of the third individual. Are you understanding?

MIKE: (Laughing) I am QUITE understanding!

ELIAS: Now; view those expressions as the reflection of yourself also. They are expressed differently objectively, but you also express a fear of your ability to be generating outwardly and physically what you view as a necessity of provision. Are you understanding?

MIKE: Yes! (Laughs)

ELIAS: Very well! Therefore, your question as to why you are creating this situation with the involvement of the third individual has been answered.

MIKE: I see. With that last part you just said?

ELIAS: Correct.

MIKE: I see, interesting. So that's why that element is there, it was because that goes back to the protection?

ELIAS: Yes. And once offering yourselves permission to generate your own choices and to be directing of yourselves and offering yourselves the freedom to choose and express what you want, so you shall. What you want is not necessarily, in your thoughts, in opposition to what you desire. But you may not necessarily offer yourself permission to be creating that, for you allow the influence of your beliefs without recognizing them.

Once recognizing and identifying the beliefs, be remembering our steps. You offer yourself choice, and once offering yourself the recognition of choice, you may then offer yourself permission to choose what you want regardless of the existence of the beliefs.

MIKE: Okay, that's plenty for now. (Elias laughs) I have a couple of questions. Do you have more questions, Ben? I have three focus questions, then I'll give it back over to Albert.

One, I would like to know how many focuses I share with Ben's boyfriend, Joe. (Pause)

ELIAS: Seven.

MIKE: Would one of them be a father and son relationship, him being the father?


MIKE: Was my name Mikah in that focus?

ELIAS: Michael - and quite tumultuous.

MIKE: Quite tumultuous. Ah! Did I beat him up in that focus? (Laughing)

ELIAS: (Laughs) No, although I may acknowledge to you, the desire was tremendous! Ha ha ha!

MIKE: (To Ben) The desire! (Everyone laughs)

Let me see. I had an impression listening to a dream - I don't know if it was a daydream, lucid dream, something - that Emilio presented when she was having her teeth pulled. Something that she woke up in this other focus, she realized it was another focus of hers, a Mediterranean woman, and she had just woken up at a point in this other focus's existence where she had just been beaten up. Her companion was there and this individual was trying to reassure her that it was going to be okay, that he was there but nothing could be done about it. The situation was that he was working somehow for the Chinese mafia or some kind of Asian mafia. He wasn't Asian, he was some kind of business partner, so he was afraid to do anything about it. He was just there to comfort but he wasn't willing to retaliate. My impression was that I was the Chinese mafia or the Asian mafia person that beat her up.

ELIAS: Correct.

MIKE: Okay, what was it out of? Why did I do it?

ELIAS: And your impression?

MIKE: To put it lightly, because she wouldn't "put out."

ELIAS: And also as an example in physical expression to the other individual.

MIKE: Was this the Chinese mafia? (Pause)

ELIAS: Japanese.

MIKE: So it was in Japan or was it in America? (Pause)

ELIAS: Neither.

MIKE: Where was it?

ELIAS: Location that you are occupying presently.

MIKE: In London?! Her companion, was that a focus of Othello?


MIKE: Was it a focus of anyone that I know now? (Pause)

ELIAS: Her friend.

MIKE: Her friend or my friend?

ELIAS: Her friend.

MIKE: Onix?


MIKE: One more question. I had a waking experience, lucid dream, something, some kind of an experience where I woke up in the body of a Samurai. I was dueling with another Samurai and we were fighting over something. While this was occurring I recognized, I believe this other person to be a focus of Othello, and we were fighting over something very specific. We ended up killing each other in this waking experience, in this dream or whatever. I was wondering, was that an accurate translation of one of our focuses together?


MIKE: What were we fighting over?

ELIAS: Property.

MIKE: I'll give you back over to Albert. Thank you very much, Elias.

ELIAS: Very well!

MIKE: And we'll talk with you soon.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend. I shall be anticipating it.

MIKE: (Sarcastically) Yes, I'm sure you will. (Elias laughs) Au revoir.

ELIAS: Au revoir.

BEN: Hearing the two of you talking about chicken salad, I'm thinking about my own movement. I have my own issues about my sexuality, my homosexuality, my bisexuality, whatever. I have all these what I'll call theoretical sexual relationships. I have all these relationships, but I still keep putting a judgment call on actual sexual intercourse. Even when I create an intimate partner for myself like I have now, I still have issues and I still keep judging people as if I'm on a search for something or a situation or a person in particular. Now, my question to you I guess is, is this me chasing my tail or is this me really finding out who I am?

ELIAS: The latter, Albert. Which also is a similar action to that which Mikah and Michael are creating, allowing yourself to be recognizing that your direction is moving and your choices are following your direction, but your translation of your direction may be rigid.

BEN: Might be rigid?

ELIAS: Yes, and therefore creates confusion, for you are not allowing yourselves to view the components that you want, rather than the identification of the thing in itself.

BEN: Before you had asked me, when I had a similar discussion with you, what was my motivation. The only thing that I could come up with was that I have a very big interest in art and I'll travel great distances to stand in front of pictures because I get something from it. It's a sensual thing or whatever kind of thing, and in some sense that's how I think of having an intimate partner, having a relationship. I wouldn't say it's innate or something, but it's just something that I really enjoy.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: So what's my motivation? Searching for that feeling? Or I'm trying to create a situation so that that feeling can be expressed?

ELIAS: Correct! THIS is correct! Generating an expression that YOU may be expressing that. But you have been focusing your attention outward to be acquiring rather than to be allowing yourself to be expressing. (Pause) Acquisition is an illusion.

BEN: Yes, but I don't have to deal with my relationship with myself.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: And that I feel like that even if I'm chasing my tail, at least there is some kind of movement going on. I do feel quite a bit different in some senses, the way I look at relationships, the way I look at things now.

ELIAS: Yes, and you are generating a tremendous expression of movement and are, in a manner of speaking, upon the threshold of objective understanding in clarity of this movement. It is not as absolute and rigid as it appears to be. The expression is desired to be allowed of yourself, not in acquiring from another individual. What you...

BEN: Maybe I do think of it as acquiring, but I can only go back to my metaphor of I have to put myself in a situation, like going to see some art or whatever it takes to be there, that there's something that I have to set up for myself to have that expression. I know you'd probably tell me I should be able to sit in my room and have the same sort of experience that I have from looking at a great work of art from looking at a piece of paper on the floor.

ELIAS: Not necessarily, for this is your preference and what you choose as your expression to allow yourself to generate that type of expression from within self. You do not acquire the expression from the painting. You allow yourself to express in the action of engaging the painting.

Therefore also you generate the manifestation of interaction with other individuals, but the difference in expression is that you shall allow yourself to express in relation to your interaction with the painting and incorporate no expectation of the painting. You merely allow yourself the freedom to express yourself and to express specific types of experiences. In relation to other individuals you withhold this expression, for you are seeking to be acquiring that expression from the other individual rather than expressing the freedom within self to express outwardly your experience.

BEN: Even just using art as an example - that's something that I've had an interest in; I'm sure it has something to do with my intent or whatever and having this my whole lifetime - but since I've become interactive with you in this forum, I can't just like something anymore. I find a new artist or something that I'm attracted to, I can't help thinking it's because I have a focus as an artist or I have a focus where I knew this particular person or whatever else.

I don't really know the varieties of my attraction for things. If I like this painting by Hans Holbein or I like the work of Andy Warhol or something else like this, I can't help but think that it's not that I just like it, it's that I have some kind of focus interaction with these people.

ELIAS: I am understanding, Albert, and this is quite commonly expressed in individuals within physical focus. As I have expressed to other individuals previously, this is not necessarily the situation. You incorporate preferences. Preferences are expressions that generate pleasure.

Pleasure is a natural flow of expression of essence. You naturally gravitate to expressions of pleasure, for it provides an avenue of movement without thickness. Therefore, there is more of an ease in movement in relation...

BEN: Yes, I can understand that, but I can also relate that back to intimate partners too, because I did not always have a preference for redheads. Maybe I always did and I only became aware of it more recently. But I would think that preference is not even something static or absolute, either. It changes all the time.

ELIAS: You are quite correct. What I am expressing to you is that in preferences, this is not necessarily an automatic expression of connection concerning other focuses or interconnected expressions between specific essences. Many times you express preferences that are merely preferences of your essence and may be expressed strongly in one focus, for that one focus chooses to be incorporating certain preferences as an expression of pleasure to provide an avenue of ease in different expressions within the focus. Are you understanding?

BEN: Yes. I guess for me, I'm just trying to figure out in a sense the differences between these sorts of preferences, about liking certain things or whatever. They have different feels in a different way.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: I'm just trying to find out ... I can say, "I like all of these different kinds of artwork, but I feel differently about this than I do about this," even though they're both pleasurable in my preference and whatever else. In fact, the more wide-ranging or more eclectic someone's taste is, that seems like - here you go, duplicity - but it seems to be kind of healthy or something.

ELIAS: Not necessarily. It is merely differences. And in this, in allowing yourself to become familiar with your expressions and recognizing these differences in preferences and paying attention to the sense that you offer to yourself in noticing those preferences that are also expressed in other focuses and those that are expressed not necessarily in relation to other focuses, you become more familiar with those differences that you are exploring presently.

BEN: Oh, then I guess that's another aspect of this preference or pleasure, because I do find other focus information to be fun. So when things overlap, when you have a relationship with art or a person or whatever else and you tell us or we have an impression there's some focus information going on, that's also fun to me.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: (To Mike) Do you have anything? Are we done, or...? Mikah says we're done! (Laughing) So any last minute words for either one of us?

Mike wants to know if Emilio and Mikah shared kamikaze pilot focuses together.


BEN: (To Mike) Yes, he says yes. (Elias chuckles) Any more words for either one of us while we're here in London?

ELIAS: Merely great encouragement to you both in your fun and your exploration. Trust yourselves, my friends. I continue to express this to you.

BEN: Yes, I know! (Laughing, and Elias laughs) And I'm sure you will continue to express that for quite some time!

ELIAS: And so I shall, for it is quite worthy of being expressed! Ha ha ha ha!

I offer you great encouragement, both. You embark upon new adventures, and in this you may be providing yourselves with new discoveries and new excitements. Ha ha ha! To you both, as always, in tremendous affection my friends...

BEN: Thank you.

ELIAS: Au revoir.

BEN: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 3:31 PM.

(1) Elias referred to Mary having a focus named "Pierre" quite early in the sessions, in unreleased 1995 transcripts. Ben's note: Louys was a French poet and author who wrote, among other things, lesbian pornography.

(2) In transcript #415, 6/19/99, in a session with Mike, Elias offered four steps to acceptance. Here is that excerpt:

MIKE: Okay, now I'm confused, because there's always something new about the belief systems and stuff that I read in the transcripts, and I just continually confuse myself with it. Please explain to me how you're to be accepting of a belief other than what I just asked.

ELIAS: At times, this may be all that you require within yourself. You may be in actuality - at times - accepting aspects of belief systems merely by recognizing, identifying, and acknowledging them to yourself, but this action occurs merely at times, for I express to you that many of these aspects you hold very strongly.

Now; this is not to say that you may not be accomplishing this very action with a very strongly held aspect of belief systems, but you also hold other aspects of beliefs that express to you that you must be engaging a process and a method to be accomplishing accepting belief systems.

Therefore, although you may be spontaneously, instantaneously accepting an aspect of a belief system, you also may not necessarily allow yourself to be accomplishing in this manner, for it is not expressing of a method or a process, and within physical focus, you have created quite strong aspects of beliefs that express to you that all that you accomplish within your physical focus is requiring of a method. Therefore, as you are moving into the area of neutralizing these aspects, accepting these aspects of beliefs, I express to you that within your process, within your method, you move in what you term to be steps.

Initially, you notice. Once you have allowed yourself to be noticing, you begin your process of identification. You begin to recognize the aspect of the belief system. You are not merely noticing that it exists any longer, but you begin presenting yourself with imagery and situations that shall demonstrate the aspect of the belief system that you are viewing at that particular time frame, and you shall begin to recognize the different forms that that particular aspect may present itself within.

In this, as I have stated, you may be continuing to view the same bird, but its presentment may be offered to you in different angles. You may be viewing different elements, different sides, different positions, different angles of the same bird.

This is expressed objectively in different situations. You are continuing to be viewing and presenting to yourself the same aspect of a belief system, but you are offering it to yourself in many different situations.

This offers you the opportunity to view the aspect fully, that you may not necessarily delude yourself into a thought process that you have accepted this particular bird, and subsequently it may present itself once again with a different face.

Therefore, you create a process or a method of presenting yourself many different situations and behaviors and actions and events that shall present imagery to you, viewing all of the different angles of each particular aspect.

Now; once you have allowed yourself to be viewing different angles of the aspect of the belief - not merely noticing its existence, but viewing and recognizing the aspect in different situations - you move subsequently into your next step, which is to be addressing to the aspect.

Now; this is the area that you become confused, for YOU identify in physical focus that your addressing to the aspect is the action of recognizing. Let me explain.

In recognizing and in the presentment to yourself of any aspect of the belief system, as you offer yourselves these types of situations, you also offer yourselves the expression of conflict, confusion, and difficulties. You may at times express emotional expressions in conjunction with these recognitions of the aspect.

In these situations, you THINK to yourselves that you are addressing to the aspect, for you are involving yourself in what YOU identify as motion or movement concerning the aspect, for you are responding to it. You are creating conflict, confusion; you are creating emotional responses. In this, you think to yourselves that this is the action of addressing to the aspect.

I express to you, this is merely you presenting yourselves with the opportunity of recognizing the aspect, and as you are continuing to be expressing RESPONSES to the aspect in conflict, you are not addressing to the aspect. You are recognizing it, and you are offering yourself many different situations to be recognizing it.

Once you begin your next step of actually addressing to the belief, to the aspects of the belief, you begin to notice a lessening of your conflict.

Addressing to the belief is not the objective action, in a manner of speaking. It is not the DOING - in your terms - [of] some action concerning the aspect of the belief. It is the ALLOWANCE for the aspect to be recognized, and figuratively speaking, in your terms, it is your allowance of yourself to be giving up with the battling of that aspect. Therefore, what you are in actuality moving into is the letting go of holding to the energy with respect to that aspect.

Let me offer this to you in another manner that may offer you a clearer understanding.

First you are noticing. "There is a belief that exists. This is not an absolute. It is not some element of my reality which is unchanging or unchangeable. It is an aspect of a belief."

The next step is the recognition in situations; the presentment of the aspect. In this, each time you are presenting yourself with the particular aspect of the belief, you shall notice and you shall recognize. You shall not merely notice a belief system is in place, but you shall move a little further and you shall allow yourself the ability to recognize, "This is a specific aspect of a belief, and this is the identification of this aspect."

Once you have identified the aspect of the belief system, you begin to present yourself with many different situations and circumstances that shall be offering you reoccurrences of the presentment of that same aspect, that you may view it over and over, for this is your choice of method.

As you are viewing, as you are identifying the aspect, as you are recognizing the aspect and you are presenting it to yourself over and over in many different situations and behaviors, you are experiencing responses in conjunction with it.

Now; in your idea of addressing to the aspect, you think to yourself that you ARE addressing to the aspect of the belief, for you are responding to it. You have already noticed, you have already identified, and now you are responding. This is your logic and your rational thought process in your identification of your method.

Now; I express to you that you are not yet addressing to the aspect in this stage of your method. You are continuing in the recognition stage, for you are continuing to be responding. You are continuing to allow the affectingness of the aspect.

As you move subsequently into the next step of addressing to the aspect of the belief, you begin to notice that you are not responding and reacting to the aspect within each of the situations that it is presented to you. It becomes less and less affecting of you. NOW you are beginning to be addressing to the aspect of the belief.

Addressing to it is the action, the implementation of letting go of your hold upon its energy.

This be the reason that I have offered the analogy of the bird and the cage, for within physical visual terms, it is quite easy for you to identify in these terms. You may view that you have set your sights upon one particular bird. In this, let us express, you have chosen a bright red bird.

You notice the belief system by noticing the cage and that it exists. Now, you are not addressing to this cage, and you are not creating any movement in the direction of acceptance of all of the aspects within this cage. You are merely noticing that the cage exists.

Once you have acknowledged to yourself that the cage exists, you view more closely, and you recognize that the cage holds many birds. Now you have recognized that the cage is quite full, and you choose to set your sights upon a particular bird that you wish to be allowing to fly free. Therefore, you begin to open the cage.

In this, you are recognizing this red bird. You are viewing this red bird. You are reaching within the cage to be engaging this red bird, that you may be removing the red bird from the cage. But in the process of removing the red bird, the red bird is flying all about the cage and you are attempting to be catching the red bird, fumbling with yourself to be grabbing at this red bird, and occasionally you are capturing this red bird. But the red bird is also pecking at your hands and it is squirming within your grasp. Therefore, your grip upon this red bird slips, and it may be escaping your grasp.

Therefore, once again, you are presenting yourself with situations to be recognizing, "Ah, yes! The red bird has now moved from this location to this location, and I shall move now to be capturing the red bird here." And once you have moved here to capture the red bird, it flies to another location of the cage, and you present yourself with a new situation to be capturing the red bird.

Once you have moved through your maneuvers with this red bird, you express to yourself exhaustion in attempting to be pursuing and capturing this red bird. Therefore, in your physical terms, you give up, and as you give up and are not in pursuit any longer, the red bird flies to you and lights upon your hand, and there you hold the red bird.

Now; once the bird has flown and has been allowed to light upon your hand, it is no longer bothersome to you, for you are no longer in pursuit. NOW you have moved into your next step of addressing to the aspect. You are now holding the red bird, and in this, you now offer yourself the ability. As it becomes calm and you are not reacting and responding to it any longer, you offer yourself the ability to be moving outside of the cage with the red bird, holding this bird, and once outside of the cage, allowing your hands to open and for the bird to fly free.

The addressing to the aspect of the belief system is not the engagement and the pursuit of it. That is the recognition of it. This is the stage, so to speak, that you move through in your process of conflict, confusion, (coughing) irritation, much pursuit, repeated presentments of different behaviors, of different movements, of different angles, of different locations of the aspect.

Once you have fatigued yourself sufficiently in your pursuit, you shall then allow yourself to be addressing to the aspect, in which you expel much less energy, for it is unnecessary to be creating the vast expelling of energy with respect to the aspect of the belief system, for you are now addressing to it, and in that, you begin to let go, and as you let go, you allow the bird to fly free and you neutralize the effect of the aspect of the belief. If the bird is no longer within the cage, it shall not be affecting of you, and you shall not be responding to it, for you shall not be engaging it.