Session 3062


“Miracles, trust, energy healing, transition, fame, passion”

Sunday, May 29, 2011

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Daniil (Zyn), Natasha (Nichole)

Note from Sharon: Due to Natasha and Daniil’s heavy accents I have trouble transcribing their portion, so I recommend that you both listen to the audio and read along with Elias’ answers. There are posted time markers for the audio in this transcript. What you do not get in words you will get in energy.

NATASHA: Miracle of the Holy Fire, I was always wondering...
How is it done?...

ELIAS: To answer this question simply, it would be actually a matter of addressing to any occurrence that you define as a miracle.

Miracles occur or what you think of as miracles, obviously in relation to energy. But this also is a display and a testament, in a manner of speaking, to trust. Trust can be translated into the word faith, it means the same. When individuals express a very strong faith or trust, it matters not how you label that trust, it accomplishes equally as well regardless of how you label it. Whether you label it in relation to a saint, an angel, god or yourself, it matters not. It is a source of power.

Now, once again, in relation to energy, the more individuals gather together, the more powerful the energy is. Therefore, whenever any individuals combine energy, two or more combining energy with the same intent, with the same intention, that creates the same focus with more than one individual and that creates a very powerful energy. And the more individuals that you include in pooling energy, the more powerful it becomes, and can create any manifestation that you can imagine.

In this, one individual can display manifestations in relation to their own trust in the power of that energy, regardless of how they label it. But in doing so they are also tapping into a cooperative collective energy which creates a combination of energies which develops a much stronger energy which allows an individual to generate actual physical manifestations of any type or design. Therefore an individual can manifest fire that does not burn, ice that does not freeze.

NATASHA: So you are saying that there is no trick...

ELIAS: No.

NATASHA: No.

ELIAS: It is a manifestation of energy, no it is not a trick.

NATASHA: This individual goes in there completely alone, naked...

ELIAS: But this is a factor of the ritual. In the ritual what occurs is that allows the individual to become very focused.

Rituals are instrumental and valuable in many situations for they allow any individual to very much focus their attention and concentrate in relation to that trust of energy, that trust of force. Even if an individual is expressing that their trust is directed in relation to God. God is merely a concept that allows the individual to focus their own energy, and manifest it in whatever manner they choose or they imagine.

Now in relation to certain rituals, there are specific manifestations that are to occur. They are already designed. One individual generates the manifestation initially, and therefore creates the idea for the ritual. The ritual does not precede the manifestation, the manifestation is generated first by one individual through an expression of their trust, their faith. From that a ritual is developed to repeat or recreate the manifestation. For the ritual is helpful to other individuals to focus their attention and their concentration in a specific manner in relation to their faith.

NATASHA: Let me ask you this, this individual...
Who could actually focus?...

ELIAS: It could be any individual that expresses that intensity of faith. It is not necessary for them to be familiar with the ritual. The intensity of the faith is the key factor. For the ritual thusly can be introduced to the individual, and they can generate the motions of the ritual, which merely adds more focused attention. But, even without the knowledge of the ritual the individual could manifest that in relation to the intensity of their faith, their trust.

This is what creates miracles. Miracles are what you perceive to be manifestations that are impossible, but there is no impossible.

DANIIL: And if you take an airplane, and everybody is expecting a take off, and it goes faster and faster and at some point it takes off. This is also focused energy?...

ELIAS: And in many capacities, such as your example, what you as humans have generated within your reality, are different methods to construct energy in particular manners. You invent objects that will channel energy in the manner that you want to produce the result that you want.

As I have expressed in recent time framework, your senses are extremely important to you, they process volumes of information, and within physical focus you rely upon your senses tremendously. Therefore you also invent physical manifestations that appease your senses, that you can see and hear and touch and smell. Physical manifestations that will preform actions that you imagine, and that you manipulate energy into. Therefore, you design an airplane and you create an immense structure and you channel energy in the mechanics of that structure to allow it to fly, despite your faith and belief in gravity. You create a machine that will defy certain laws of your reality. You create a machine that will allow you to breathe under water. These are physical manifestations that you can incorporate your senses with to validate your manipulation of energy. In its most basic form, all of these inventions are successful for they are channeling energy in different capacities.


As I have expressed in recent time framework, your senses are extremely important to you, they process volumes of information, and within physical focus you rely upon your senses tremendously. Therefore you also invent physical manifestations that appease your senses, that you can see and hear and touch and smell. Physical manifestations that will preform actions that you imagine, and that you manipulate energy into. Therefore, you design an airplane and you create an immense structure and you channel energy in the mechanics of that structure to allow it to fly, despite your faith and belief in gravity. You create a machine that will defy certain laws of your reality. You create a machine that will allow you to breathe under water. These are physical manifestations that you can incorporate your senses with to validate your manipulation of energy. In its most basic form, all of these inventions are successful for they are channeling energy in different capacities.

This is the point that I have discussed with all of you many times that you do not entirely accept or comprehend, for energy is not perceived, generally speaking, by your senses. Therefore, I could and have expressed to you that you could generate the same action without the machinery of an airplane. You could defy gravity in energy in the same capacity without the physical manifestation. But you do not believe that of it does not engage your senses.

DANIIL: So I had several dreams where I was flying or levitating and I was telling myself ......
But obviously when I wake up...

ELIAS: For you awaken and you immediately re-engage your senses.

As I also expressed previously, dream imagery such as flying is very common. Many, many individuals generate this type of imagery in dreams.

Imagery that you generate in dreams that you would deem defined to be impossible in waking reality is imagery that is possible that you inwardly know is possible, and therefore you generate the imagery of it. Just as you may incorporate dream imagery that seems very unusual or bizarre that none of which exists within your physical reality, but that is not to say that it does not exist, or that it is not real, or that it is not possible. It merely is not expressed in your reality and there are reasons why it is not expressed in your reality.

And in many capacities, actions that you could actually physically generate without inventions, without machinery, without technology, you will not do for there is no validation through your senses. You implicitly trust your senses, you rarely question them. If you input information through your senses it is true. You do not doubt it, you do not question whether it is true or not, it is absolute. In that energy is very real, but your senses generally do not engage it. It is not that they cannot engage it, they can to an extent. But generally speaking they do not. And what you do not input through your senses you do not entirely trust as real.

Therefore, yes, an individual can generate fire apparently from no thing. And the factor of the individual stripping themself of any garment, in a manner of speaking, is theatrical. For it is offering proof...

NATASHA: ...that there are no tricks...

ELIAS: Yes, which once again, is to validate and appease your senses. For your senses will automatically question if they input information that appears to be impossible. If it cannot actually be perceived directly through your senses in some manner that your senses rationalize and trust, you will dismiss it, and you will question, and you will think it is trickery.

DANIIL: Thank you.

NATASHA: Okay next. I’ve written here..

Recently I had occurrences with my insides...

Is this related to...

ELIAS: Yes.

NATASHA: Cause I was in such pain and fear and everything scared me bigtime and I felt like part of me was...

ELIAS: And what would you access was the fear? What were you afraid of?

NATASHA: The fear was that my life wouldn’t be as it was before, because I have...

ELIAS: The first aspect that I would express to you is that, it is significant to pay attention and to define what you are feeling. That is important. For, you are aware of our recent group interaction?

NATASHA: Yes.

ELIAS: Which addressed to the subject of feelings.

Feelings are important for they influence you in many different capacities, and therefore it is important to understand them. It is important to define them and to understand what they are. For they are very influencing and when you do not define them and when you do not understand them they can be influencing in capacities that are difficult, destructive, distressing.

NATASHA: I couldn’t...

ELIAS: It does make a difference. The reason is that when you cannot define a feeling you relinquish your choices. In a manner of speaking it becomes an action in which the feeling is influencing or ruling your actions, your behavior, your choices, your expressions. You no longer are directing yourself, the feeling is directing you. When you do define and know what the feelings are that allows you a greater base in being aware of your choices and being aware of what is influencing what you are doing.

Now, if you are generating a feeling that is undefined but intense, and perhaps you are, as you have expressed to myself, unclearly defining the feeling, perhaps it is loss, perhaps it is fear, and you even expressed a definition of the fear when I enquired of you. You expressed that it was fear and very quickly you defined that fear as that affects you, your existence and essentially affects whether you are witnessed or not. You also defined loss which moves in conjunction with what you defined as the fear, that you are no longer seen. You did not say ”I no longer see them,” but that YOU are no longer seen.

In not defining the feelings when you experience them you do not differentiate whether they are a NOW feeling or whether they are a THEN feeling. THEN feelings are old memories that are being held and you carry with you in a type of surface manner even if you do not generate a recollection of them. And in that in the position of those feelings are they are easily triggered and in being easily triggered they are different from NOW feelings.

But before I express in that direction, it is a matter of discerning or incorporating the ability to discern. Whether what you are feeling is a NOW feeling or THEN feeling. Whether it is a combination of a NOW feeling and a THEN feeling. For it influences your behavior, it influences what you do. And THEN feelings take away your choices. Therefore, even if it is a combination of a NOW feeling and a THEN feeling, your choices become limited. For the THEN feelings override the NOW feelings, they are stronger, and they override the NOW feelings and in doing so they take away your choices, and you are generating automatic pilot and in manners that you would not necessarily objectively choose. But that creates the circle that enhances the feeling, and also adds another feeling of powerlessness.

Now you are not only feeling the triggered feeling, but you are also feeling an additional feeling which feeds the other feeling of you have no choice, you are powerless, therefore you are immobilized. This is the reason that it is important to know what it is that you are feeling.

What you expressed is significant. That you expressed in that manner that you feel that a part of you is missing, or is gone. For your witness is gone. It matters not, as you expressed, whether you engage these individuals frequently or not. For you incorporate that knowledge that they exist.

NATASHA: They somehow are part of my...

ELIAS: Yes. For they are your witness. And if they are not present any longer to witness you.

NATASHA: Where am I?

ELIAS: Correct. Who are you? Where are you? What are you? Are you here? Do you exist?

Let me express to you that may sound in words extreme or ludicrous but in feelings that is actually somewhat accurate. And it is what the feelings are expressing. ”Do I even exist, if I’m not witnessed? And if another aspect of what witnesses mean in my existence is gone, another piece of me is gone.” This is associated with THEN feelings.

Now, as a slight aside, let me define for you how you can distinguish between NOW feelings and THEN feelings. They are different. They are very different in actuality. The actual feelings themselves may be similar, but how they are expressed are very different, and it is not difficult to distinguish between NOW feelings and THEN feelings. And the THEN feelings that I am speaking of are those memories that are stored, that were developed before attachments that carry with you. Not merely any memory.

Now, this will provide another distinction. Think of, in this moment, any experience that you have generated pastly that you can remember that you felt very uncomfortable or afraid.

NATASHA: Okay.

ELIAS: You incorporate a memory?

NATASHA: Yes.

ELIAS: When you think of that memory you remember the feeling?

NATASHA: I talk to myself again.

ELIAS: But you will not feel it in the same capacity that you did then.

NATASHA: No, no. The intensity is not such.

ELIAS: Correct.

You will remember the feeling, you know what the feeling is, and you may even incorporate, as you expressed, a twinge. But you will not re-experience the feeling that you generated in that experience. Likewise, if you generate a memory of an experience that you were elated, very happy, ecstatic, very excited. You can isolate a memory and remember the feeling but you do not feel that now.

Now. Also, in the moment, whether it be in an exchange with another individual or situation that you are experiencing, or viewing a program on your television. In any moment you may be prompted with a feeling. You may feel sad, you may feel excited, you may feel happy, you may feel anxious, you may feel fear. As soon as the subject changes the feeling dissipates, it does not linger. Even in situations that are extremely intense.

In a situation such as a hurricane, while it is blowing, while the water is rising, while the winds are whipping, and you are experiencing fear, it may be intense. As soon as it stops, the feeling changes. It does not linger. NOW feelings do not linger. They also do not grow. NOW feelings dissipate as soon as the situation or the subject changes. And that can occur in a moment. You can be sobbing in one moment and as soon as the situation or the subject changes you will stop.

A THEN feeling does not stop, it lingers and it grows. It becomes more intense the more you concentrate on it.

NATASHA: It didn’t seem I was concentrating, but...

ELIAS: It is not necessary for you to seem that you are concentrating, if you are paying attention to the feeling you are concentrating. And it is difficult not to pay attention to the feeling if the feeling is intense. Therefore it is self perpetuating. But, in the midst of that self perpetuation, if you allow yourself even a moment to pause and to notice is this feeling dissipating or is it remaining? Is it changing or is it remaining the same? If it is the same, if it is continuing, it is not a NOW feeling. That is important. Once you can identify that it is not a NOW feeling, that does not necessarily dissipate it or disburse it. It does not mean that it will end immediately. The feeling may continue, for you body consciousness is reacting. But when you know that it is a THEN feeling you can remind yourself of that, and you can ask yourself ”what do I want to do in relation to this feeling?” Rather than merely folding in upon yourself and continuing to concentrate upon the feeling itself and therefore deny yourself any choice.

In the moment if you actually give yourself choices it changes the situation. For the one aspect of your experiences that for the most part all of you generate a very strong association with, is feelings and that you do not control them. That you have no control over feelings. And that you do not actually express them intentionally, they come themselves. As if they are a separate entity attacking you. Which you even express in relation to anxiety you term certain anxieties as ”anxiety attacks” as though they are separate entities.

Feelings are one aspect of your experiences that you do not believe you control, that you do not believe you actually create. They create themselves. And they are always in reaction to some outside source or some other expression. Some expression creates them.

In one capacity that is somewhat correct for YOU create them as signals. There are always signals and in relation to whatever you are doing or whatever you are engaging, that determines what types of signals you generate with yourself.

Feelings in the NOW are signals in relation to emotional communications that means they are a signal in relation to whatever you are doing in the moment. You are expressing a message to yourself simply identifying what you are doing in the moment and it is accompanied by a feeling which is a signal for that message.

THEN feelings are not emotional communications, they are feelings they are not attached to an emotion communication. For they are not related to what you are doing now, they are related to old associations and memory. They are memory triggers.

And they are triggered by sense information. What you hear, what you see, what you touch, what you smell, what you taste. What your senses are inputing. You hear information of an individual that is disengaged or you read information of an individual that has disengaged. Your senses are inputing information to you, and in that information your senses are triggering THEN memories, in any moment.

Now what you do with that information is you recognize it and you express to yourself ”what do I want to do?” You never ask yourself what do I want to do with a feeling. You feel it. ”You do not express to yourself ”I am very anxious. What do I want to do?” Not what do I want to do about this feeling, or to eliminate this feeling. ”What do I want to do?”

You may be feeling very sad in a moment and if you ask yourself ”what do I want to do?” you might in that moment express that you want to shop, for the action of shopping is distracting and it is comforting. Or you may want to retreat to a room alone and you may want to cry intentionally. For you know you are releasing energy by doing so. Or you may want to engage an action such as watching a program on your television.

NATASHA: What you are talking about is interruption somehow. Because...

ELIAS: It is not necessarily interruption.

NATASHA: Because you said it, you said interrupt. If I feel sad, I feel sad. I don’t want to go shopping if I feel sad.

ELIAS: And how do you know that if you do not inquire of yourself?

NATASHA: If you feel to go shopping you need to be in the mood...

ELIAS: Do you?

NATASHA: Well you need to have... I go shopping because I think about future, I don’t think about the now. Because now is gone. Now is now. And the next moment I may...

ELIAS: That is an association that you are generating. Perhaps shopping is now, it is engaging an action that you enjoy. It may not be an action that YOU enjoy, it is an example that it is a choice.

NATASHA AND DANIIL: [arguing]

ELIAS: Alright, it may be... and it may be playing music. But if you do not ask yourself, you do nothing. You concentrate and perpetuate the feeling. For now you have no choices. Now you are disempowered.

NATASHA: Okay... so I understand... The main thing is to ask myself ”What do I want to do?” That will distract me already now that I will be kind of outside of the situation.

ELIAS: Yes, for it reminds you that you DO have choices.

DANIIL: And this is operable through NOW feelings as well as THEN feelings?

ELIAS: It is not actually necessary with NOW feelings for they do not linger, they change. Therefore, NOW feelings, that is not a necessary action to engage. For regardless of how intense a feeling may be in a NOW situation, it will quickly change as the situation changes, or as the subject changes. And you will notice, if you are paying attention, regardless of any situation and however intense a feeling is in a situation.

Your body consciousness in a NOW situation will not hold to an intensity of a feeling. Even in a tremendously threatening situation, let us say either you are in a situation in which perhaps another individual is perpetrating a violent act with you and threatening your life. That may be a very intense situation and a very intense feeling of fear, but it will not continue for an extended time framework. There will be interruptions in it. Even if you are in a situation in which your perpetrator, your threatener is holding you captive and threatening you for many many hours continuously your body consciousness will not allow you to maintain that intensity of feeling continuously, it will break.

DANIIL: ... I have a tendency to freeze, which is not the most effective response. So what is effective?

ELIAS: And what would suggest to you that it is not effective?

DANIIL: Ah, I have the sensation...

ELIAS: And how does that generally affect the other individual?

DANIIL: I haven’t been in many of those situations but ...I don’t know.

ELIAS: For obviously it has not affected you in an adverse manner.

DANIIL: Yes, I understand. I escaped...
So you think...

ELIAS: It very well can be. It is not a matter of whether it is effective or not, it is more a matter of your perception of it. That you do not think it is effective, and therefore you think it is bad and you think that you need a more effective method. But in actuality, in actual physical action, it has been effective.

DANIIL: It is also a situation for me where I think...

ELIAS: I’m understanding. I will offer you two answers. One is that it is possible that your thinking for you yourself as an individual is unrealistic, for it is not accounting for your genuine self, and that you may not necessarily be naturally and aggressively expressing individual. That you do not naturally express energy in an aggressive manner. But you are generating an association that that is bad. Or that it is not protective and therefore it is inadequate. But the idea of being different in whatever capacity you imagine it to be, may not be a genuine expression of you and therefore would not be realistic.

But, I can also express in recognizing that, which once again this is an important factor, evaluating are you actually that type of individual that would naturally generate that ability in a confrontation. Are you naturally aggressively expressing energy, which you are not. In defining that, you can adjust certain behaviors, such as you face yourself with that type of hypothetical situation with an aggressor and in that moment, acknowledging that you are not an aggressor, you can generate different actions that are more in keeping with you. That you can trust yourself more in generating the same disarming effectiveness.

In that, one of the greatest methods that any of you can express in relation to any type of aggression, is to witness the aggressor. The reason individuals express aggression is the same as when individuals shout. Individuals yell or they shout. Why? For they do not perceive they are being heard. Therefore if they project louder, if they generate more volume they are more likely to be heard or so they think, so they perceive. Aggression is the same motivation, you do not see me, you will see me if I am more aggressive. You will acknowledge me if I am more aggressive. If you acknowledge the aggressor, you change their payoff.

NATASHA: Okay. They don’t expect...

ELIAS: Very much so, for they are expecting certain responses that validate what they are doing. Fear is a response that validates, ”yes you see me now.” But it is not the only response that will validate, it is the most familiar response. In that when you respond in a manner that acknowledges, that validates that individual ”I do see you.” I am witness to you, and you are not pulling away from the individual, it generates the same disarming action. Actually it may even be more effective, for the fear is the payoff that is expected.

NATASHA: Thank you Elias. We will continue.

ELIAS: Very well, we shall break.

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ELIAS: Continuing.

NATASHA: Elias I wanted to come back to this. My question is...

ELIAS: The question is, why specifically? This particular manifestation. Very well.

In actuality that is quite understandable. For you would match the intensity of the feeling and the associations with the physical manifestation. With you, your most intense physical manifestation is associated with your stomach. Your most intense physical expressions, although you generate many different physical manifestations, your most intense manifestation has been for an ongoing considerable time framework, your stomach.

I would express to you that in our first encounter, our first conversation, you spoke to myself and questioned myself in relation to your stomach. And that has remained the area of your physical body that you affect in the most intense manner. Therefore in matching the intensity of the feeling and the association, manifesting that in relation to body consciousness, you would more likely affect that than your knee or your shoulder.

NATASHA: What effect is the biggest thing...

ELIAS: In relation to feelings, yes. It is not necessarily the weakest link, but the most receptive to a particular type of expression. That in relation to intensity of feelings and anxiety or tension, stressfulness. Those types of expressions you’re more likely to generate an effectiveness with your stomach, than with a different aspect of your body consciousness. For you hold that energy in that area of your body consciousness. And also, in a manner so to speak, of logistics, it is simple. For feelings in a manner of practically of function are generated from the yellow energy center, which is your solar plexus.

Therefore in physical proximity, logistically, it is easy to generate an effectiveness in that area of your body consciousness. Whether it be within your digestive system or perhaps lungs. For another individual perhaps a kidney or a liver. Any organ or any function in that general area would be very easy to create a physical manifestation in relation to feelings.

NATASHA: But for me it is more efficient, so to speak.

ELIAS: Yes.

NATASHA: To have been...

ELIAS: Yes.

NATASHA: Next question then. In relation to our vacation and what we had in our vacation, cause it was stomach related and it was upset...

What was that all about?

ELIAS: And what is your assessment first of all?

NATASHA: I have an assessment of course, but I have several...

ELIAS: Empathic.

NATASHA: Empathic. That’s what I suspect.

ELIAS: Let me also express. I have expressed this many times previously, and also with you, but generally I have expressed it many times. When you do not pay attention to the message that you are expressing to yourself you will generate it louder.

NATASHA: Yes, I know. I remember.

ELIAS: When you are offering yourself a message through your intuition, through your impressions, and in many situations your intuition and your impressions will trigger a feeling. Initially it may be quiet, it may be subtle and not excessively overt, but you notice. You are aware of it as you expressed, you are not entirely comfortable. You are not entirely in the direction of wanting to generate this action and you were hesitant, but you pushed through.

NATASHA: Because I didn’t ...

ELIAS: Very well, but that can be a factor also in which perhaps you incorporate a tendency to be overly anticipating in relation to a trip, or in relation to any activity that you plan to engage. In that, once again, it is important to evaluate the feeling. What you are doing is you are attempting to compensate with thinking. You are attempting to evaluate with thinking. Thinking alone does not provide you with accurate information.

Feeling alone does not always provide you with accurate information, it is a matter of balance. Allowing yourself to use these different mechanisms together to generate a more balanced and accurate evaluation. They may be certain aspects of any particular trip or action that you’re not entirely comfortable with and that colors your perception. Therefore you may actually want to engage a particular trip and your thinking begins to replay aspects of what you are uncomfortable with. In that you may also be generating feelings, but what is important is to evaluate. Do the feelings and the thinking match? First of all. And in that is the feeling a NOW feeling? Most likely it is not. And in evaluating that feeling for you’re anticipating in the evaluation of that feeling, allow your thought mechanism, your thinking function to discern the criteria more specifically.

Hypothetical example: You may want to engage a trip and you may have a plan of what you will engage during the duration of the trip. There may be one aspect of what you plan to do that you may be hesitant in relation to that one aspect of the trip. And perhaps your intuition is expressing to you that the timing is incorrect or you’re not focused enough to engage a particular action, and therefore you are offering yourself a communication that a part or one aspect of the trip, perhaps it would be more to your greatest benefit to change that one aspect.

When you are not actually paying attention and you’re not actually discerning what you’re feeling, your thinking generalizes, now the entire trip is somewhat apprehensive. Now you are uncomfortable with the entire trip. But you cannot entirely justify that and you do not understand why you are uncomfortable with the entire trip. Now you are generalizing, for you thinking is attempting to translate, but it does not incorporate enough information to translate accurately, for you are not actually identifying what that feeling is.

Now, let me also offer another factor. Intuition as I expressed many times can trigger feelings to gain your attention. With some individuals it is expressed in feelings, with some individuals they generate thoughts in relation to the communication of intuition. When the intuition is objectively less specific, it will generally be expressed with the accompaniment of a feeling rather than a thought. Thoughts are generally more specific. Therefore you may merely incorporate a slight uncomfortable feeling, or anxious feeling, or restless feeling. But that is important to pay attention to.

The difference between a THEN feeling and a present feeling that is being expressed in relation to intuition, it will grow, but not in one time framework. While you are generating the intuitional feeling, initially may be subtle, and if you do not pay attention to it or if you dismiss it, it will grow. But it will not necessarily grow in that moment. It will require another action that you engage.

NATASHA: Is that what happened?

ELIAS: Yes. The more actions you engage in the direction that you are expressing in the intuition NOT to engage, the more the feeling will increase, or you will change it into a physical manifestation. And you will not necessarily incorporate a feeling any longer. You will begin to develop a physical manifestation. But, once again, in the present feelings they change with actions. When the subject changes, when the action or circumstance changes, they change. They do not change building upon themselves with no other change. Therefore in relation to intuition, the more you move in the direction denying it, the more you move in opposition to it, the louder it gets.

NATASHA: Okay. I’m listening. I probably do best when we were actually coming home. When we were coming home finally, it was the best day of my vacation, I was so happy, I have been that happy in a long time.

ELIAS: For now you are moving in the direction of your intuition. Stop! Stop this. You are uncomfortable, you’re sending yourself a message. stop, you do not want to engage this. And when you do stop, you feel better. Ha, ha, ha. A simple principle in actuality, and in that I would express that it is not unusual that you would in part mirror that for the more miserable you generate the more you commiserate.

NATASHA AND DANIIL: Ha, ha, ha.

NATASHA: Oh my God. That’s great.

NATASHA: Okay I’m going to ask one more question about tomorrow, cause I have so many other questions it would take hours.
Tamara at work, my friend she was asking about Sweden, she feels such a strong draw to Sweden. She wants to go there. She been there unsuccessfully, but still she loves it...

ELIAS: Very simple, she incorporates many focuses in that area and she resonates with that area, and when an individual resonates with a physical location and they actually allow themselves to visit that physical location and actually even momentarily experiences that resonance, it is or can be likened to to a siren screaming within you. You have connected with an energy that you resonate with and when you do that you generate a very strong pull to be there, and to be in that energy. Many individuals do not experience that for that have not actually physically allowed themselves to engage a particular place or location that they very much resonate with. But when they do, when you do, you will know and you will feel a very strong draw to be in that energy. For it is a complement.

NATASHA: Her being sick there, she has such a strong draw, her being sick is a sign...

ELIAS: No, that is a communication in her associations in relation to deserving. That she does not deserve to be where she resonates. I would express that if she acknowledged her own value and her own deservingness, that is intrinsic, it is not earned. You do not earn deservingness or worthiness. They are intrinsically yours, and if she were to acknowledge that and genuinely express that deservingness within herself, she would not generate physical manifestation. That is also in some situations not entirely unusual with individuals, they generate what you may term to be profound experience in relation to resonating with a particular physical location and there is a automatic reaction to that in relation to deserving. I do not deserve to feel this excited, this wondrous, in a place. I have not earned that, therefore there is a automatic reaction.

NATASHA: Thank you so so much.

ELIAS; You are welcome.

DANIIL: I have a question. My grand..., his small daughter she is sick with something like allergy, doctor don’t know what it is. So need information that can be helpful...

ELIAS: And what is the situation.

DANIIL: The daughter has difficulty breathing and she’s coughing and the doctor said he doesn’t know quite what it is but he is a good doctor, we trust him...
Very young, like four months...

ELIAS: This is a combination situation. One factor is associated with the physical area and not as much resonating with the physical area. But another factor is more strongly associated with them, the parents.

DANIIL: In what capacity?

ELIAS: It would be very helpful for them very much to pay attention to what type of energy they are projecting. Worry and protectiveness and concern is not helpful. In this they are projecting an energy not of appreciation but of fear. And they are influencing fear to be developed already within the small one. That is a significant factor that it would be very helpful if they would be altering their energy and their perception and generating more of an appreciation for the small one’s existence, rather than generating these other expression which are promoting fear and, in a manner of speaking, teaching fear already. That the existence and the environment is threatening, and those can be powerful messages in relation to small ones.

As you are aware in my group interaction in discussing feelings that are generated in relation to experiences as small ones before you generate attachments, those are the memories that are stored that we have been discussing in this conversation that continue, that you carry with you. And that are continuously triggered and are very influencing throughout your lifetime and that can begin as an individual being very small and dependent on the energy surrounds that individual and the influence that is being generated. If it is already being influenced to not trust it’s environment or what is in its environment, including the individuals in its environment for fear is threatening. And therefore if fear is being expressed it translates a threatening message.

DANIIL: So you are saying that resonance in environment, where they could move to a different town...
the small one feels much better...
is it that type of resonance?

ELIAS: Yes, not necessarily relocating to another country, but yes the physical environment does play a factor. But, let me express to you it is not that the small one does not resonate at all, and I would express to you that two thirds of all of the individuals that exist upon your planet do not entirely resonate with the location they have chosen to exist in, for they not necessarily pay attention to whether they resonate with the physical location or not.

Now, you can reside in a location in which you do not necessarily entirely resonate with that energy but you are not repelled by it either, and you can function quite adequately and continue. Therefore that is a factor, it is not the main factor, but it is a contributing factor and the parents contribute to that factor moreso by generating the addition of fear and concern. For the small one is not filtering through attachments yet, and is not filtering through language, verbal language, yet. It is filtering communications through energy. And in that concern and protection expresses an energy of fear and unsafe.

DANIIL: Okay, thank you.

DANIIL: Lately my shoulder right here right now...
Is that significant?

ELIAS: And your assessment?

DANIIL: My theory is that...

ELIAS: [Chuckles] I would agree with both in part. I would express that it is a combination of actions in which you are not paying attention to your body consciousness, and therefore generating actions that, if you are not paying attention it will communicate with you to gain your attention, and express its message to be paying more attention. And to be more focused in being gentle with yourself, rather than being scattered.

DANIIL: My creativity, you mentioned creativity...
I go around thinking I have to be on certain level professionalism...and somewhat famous...
Why this obsession with being famous?
Is it professionalism, fame, or legacy?

ELIAS: It is an association, and it is an association that you have learned and that is reinforced by many of your societies that you incorporate more value the more you are known. The more you are acknowledged, the more you are known, the more value you have. That an individual that looks good in the country and interacts with only ten other individuals throughout his lifetime is less valuable than a politician. That the more known you are that by extension means the more people that know you, or that are aware of you. Therefore, the more people are aware of you the more important you are. And the more people that objectively know you or know of you, the more you interact or the more you touch. That is very much NOT the situation, but objectively that is the association that you generate.

DANIIL: But you mention that I am an entertainer to some extent and I ...
I don’t need the big one yet, I can the small one...

ELIAS: It is more a matter of evaluating, my friend, what you want, what you genuinely enjoy, than what you need to be to to generate your legacy, or what you need to be to express your importance or your mark, so to speak. That your mark is generated, your legacy is generated much more effectively and efficiently in doing what you genuinely enjoy and what is your passion, than being known or being famous. If you want to be famous, and this is significant, if you genuinely want to be famous, well known, you will choose an avenue to generate that.

DANIIL: So there...

ELIAS: Correct.

DANIIL: Because I go around thinking...

ELIAS: You want to be known but not necessarily in the capacity of fame.

DANIIL: Because I go around and in my head...
Somewhat of an obsession...

ELIAS: Which I would agree and how you value yourself and how you value other individuals, and in that what you attach to that. What is attached to the presentment of that value. If you incorporate the attachment of fame or being known then that generates more importance, and therefore generates more value. That is an attachment. And I would express that it is not necessarily that you entirely want fame, in the traditional sense of that concept, but more that you want to be seen. You want to be known, and in that perhaps even in slightly more of a capacity than merely a small circle of friends. That you do have a desire to be known in somewhat more of a capacity. And I would express that your apprehension in relation to your projection of yourself dampens that, or influences you not to pursue it to the extent that it would be more satisfactory to you. But I would express to you that your fantasies of fame are consistent and on going as an inspiration to motivate you to accomplish beyond what you limit yourself in, but not necessarily as prophetic in that you genuinely want to incorporate actual fame. For I would express that in itself would be somewhat contrary to your natural flow. But, it is in a manner of speaking an inspiration to move beyond the obstacles that you create for yourself in relation to how you project yourself.

DANIIL: When we asked...
What was my previous communication?

ELIAS: And what would you express?

DANIIL: You mentioned exposure, which recently...

ELIAS: Not necessarily. A free expression can be moving around. It is a flow, whatever the individual flow is in comfort.

DANIL: Okay, but it’s my invisibility issue...

ELIAS: The projection of yourself, how you present yourself. I would express that that is your greatest obstacle that you generate, that you do not express that confidence and that satisfaction and comfort and acceptance in the projection of you, who your are and how you are in this focus. That is not entirely acceptable to you yet, and that would be your greatest obstacle.

DANIIL: I still have to get...
I want to be smart about the potential of my life...

ELIAS: Very well. Then zoom out and in doing so rather than waiting for myself to express to you what you should or should not do, when you zoom out observe what are your passions and be that. It is that simple.

Observe what are your passions and do them, be them.

DANIIL: Thank you.

DANIIL: (To Natasha) You want to ask the same question?

ELIAS: Which in like manner to yourself, you already know, correct? You already know and you already know also. What is your greatest limitation?

NATASHA: I can’t trust in myself. I don’t know.

ELIAS: That would be a symptom of a limitation or an effect of limitation. What is consistent?

What is consistent with you? Your greatest limitation is your consistent action of pushing yourself that you are not enough.

NATASHA: That’s right. (Laughs)

ELIAS: That you push yourself for you are never enough, you are never good enough in whatever you do. You generate a definite distinction with the association that if you are good enough you will lose motivation. No. If you are good enough there is no more to explore and to strive for. No. It is a recognition and a acknowledgment of your beingness that changes. That whatever you do you do for the factor you want to, and that it is a passion that you enjoy, that you like to. Not that you not enough until you do.

NATASHA: He is actually discouraging because...

ELIAS: But regardless of what you do it would never be enough. I would express to you quite literally, my friend, you could generate an action of being with you also and it would not be good enough. Yes, you would continue to push for it would not be good enough. It is your greatest limitation that you do not acknowledge and see your worth, your deservingness, as being intrinsic to you. You exist therefore you are worthy, you are valuable, and you deserve. Merely for the factor that you exist. But, the reason that you push, the reason that it is never enough is that you move in that direction of that basis of earning, and you can never earn enough to express good enough. And therefore if you cannot earn enough to express good enough, why bother? For you are defeated before you begin. It is the metaphor of you cannot climb the mountain for your legs are broke, therefore why?

DANIIL AND NATASHA: (Talking.)

ELIAS: It is not only a matter of doing, you can do and do and do and do and do and if you never acknowledge what you do, it matters not. That is the point. That it is not what you do, it is what you acknowledge that you do. You can be as ultimately successful in any direction that you can imagine, and if you cannot acknowledge your own accomplishment in that success it is meaningless.

NATASHA: What about other people that are successful, they do acknowledge...
They go through the same process or is everybody different.

ELIAS: It is dependent upon the individual, some individuals can display the facade of success, they can generate the camouflage and the shell of success, therefore to outside looking eyes, it seems that they generate success by other individuals standards. In some individuals they genuinely are acknowledging themselves and it creates a genuine success, and in a genuine success it does not crumble. In a genuine success it maintains, it holds. Individuals accomplish success and they continue to accomplish success for they are acknowledging their accomplishment which spurs them to accomplish more accomplishments. And they credit themselves with their accomplishment therefore it becomes a genuine success.

Individuals ... the facade, the shell of success. It may appear in some capacities that they are successful, but the difficulties or the challenge with that is that they cannot maintained indefinitely, therefore eventually it will implode. And in that the shell of the success is merely a camouflage for the wreckage the individual actually may be creating. And you all to some degree are familiar creating a facade of success in some capacity or another it genuinely a matter of individuals that are genuinely satisfied and successful in that satisfaction they do acknowledge themselves. They do recognize their own accomplishment, they credit themselves.

NATASHA: a celebration kind of...

ELIAS: Yes.

DANIIL: We are almost out of time...is there anything we can understand about where we are at right now...
Is there any direction, movement, purpose?

ELIAS: And what do you want together?

DANIIL: Success.

ELIAS: That is very general.

DANIIL: Genuine confidence in our life, in our direction.

ELIAS: That is also very general. My suggestion to you is that together you evaluate what is important to each of you first, be specific in what you want in relation to your desires, for want and desire are not always the same. And in that, once you have shared with each other what you individually desire, find the commonality between all of you in your desire and begin to experiment focusing upon that commonality and generate small actions initially to validate yourselves in the power of the combined strength. That what you want is strengthen by the power of the combined points if it is all focused together. If you are each individually moving independent of each other you lose power. But...

NATASHA: We are in a unique position combined now.

ELIAS: Yes. And in that you can be very powerful. Begin with what is a common theme, then all of your desires in each of you. I would express that being comfortable and being in a free expression would be a commonality in your desire, but be specific. Not so general. How do you want to be comfortable? What do you want to express freely? How do you want to express freely? Be specific. And in that as you focus together you can begin your small experiment and expand that as you reinforce yourself with your accomplishments. Acknowledge each accomplishment.

DANIIL: But I doubt that everyone will...
will it be the same direction for everyone?

ELIAS: The same direction.

DANIIL: Are you needing a break?

ELIAS: Very well. Then we shall break.

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ELIAS: Continuing.

NATASHA: I have a question related to all this...
I’m very curious about blind spots, things we don’t see..

ELIAS: Interesting question. In some capacities it does not matter, but it would be a situation of what term to be a blind spot of unforeseen direction being what you would term to be a genuine blind spot or whether it is a situation that you are creating a blind spot because you are not listening, you are not paying attention.

NATASHA: There is a potential that I could see them...

ELIAS: Yes, or that you may not be attempting to hide from yourself. It may merely be a situation where you are not paying attention. That you’re not genuinely paying attention to what you are doing.

NATASHA: I’m talking about the blind spot you don’t see very well...

ELIAS: In those situations I would express that is not a matter for concern. For that is more a matter of allowance, allowing for your direction to unfold. And not complicating it by inserting possible plans, or projections of anticipations.

NATASHA:

ELIAS: Yes, but more so recognizing that at any given point you may not necessarily be objectively aware of what you may creating futurely. But that is not an obstacle, it is more a matter of employing your trust and relaxing and allowing your direction to unfold. Trusting yourself that whatever you have chosen will unfold to your greatest benefit. If you do not complicate it.

NATASHA: That is what they say about trust, and I am very quite open...
Was it working for me...

ELIAS: Yes. It is a focal point, yes.

NATASHA: Focal point?

ELIAS: Yes.

NATASHA: Just a matter that gets you kind of focused.

ELIAS: Yes. And centered. Yes.

NATASHA: Okay, I just wanted to just very briefly to ask you about this matter and how...
It could be any method, any movement, any action that you can think of you can turn it into a focal point...

ELIAS: Correct. That is actually an accurate evaluation. What occurs with different methods, the reason that they are successful is two factors. One, how much it resonates with the individual, therefore how much you yourself trusts it or believe it. And also how much energy collectively is being generated with a particular method.

And you’re right, it applies to any situation. I would express that it is most obviously notable in situations such as dieting. For these are methods many individuals inquire, and you will notice that some methods appear to be more successful than other methods. The reason is that some methods are expressed with more cooperation of energy.

Just as we were discussing previously, in more relation to your pyramid or any other situation. When you generate two or more individuals you create a collective energy, and it accumulates, and the more energy that is focused in any particular direction the stronger it becomes. Therefore also, the greater potential for success in any particular expression. Some methods of dieting are more successful for the initial individuals that participate with it are generating considerable trust and believing in the method. Which in a manner of speaking for trust and believing are synonymous. But in that the more those individuals generate that believing in the method, the more they project that energy outwardly, and it attracts more individuals that resonate with the method. And the more energy that is accumulated with any particular method, the more successful it will be.

In this, the two most important factors are, how much do you resonate with the method, yourself. And when I expressed how much do you resonate with the method that is necessarily to say that you resonate or accept every aspect of a particular method, but for the most part or overall, or in general, you resonate with a particular method. And in some aspects you do not you can alter those yourself to be more productive yourself in the particular method. That is the most important factor. And the second factor being the accumulation of energy, for each individual draws upon that collective energy which generates more strength in the method. Therefore, if you resonate with it, you can generate success with it, if you do not, if you are questioning, if you are skeptical, or not entirely comfortable with it, those are indicators that you do not necessarily resonate with that and you will be less successful.

NATASHA: Once again it does not matter by itself what one I accepted...

ELIAS: In itself it does not matter.

DANILL: You say you really want your own method as opposed to someone else’s...
Get familiar with several methods and do your own...

ELIAS: Yes, quite so. Which is the point that any method that any one individual develops, it resonates the most with its inventor. But it will resonate with other individuals in similar energies. In that the most effective direction to incorporate with any method, other than whatever you yourself invent, is to glean information. Allow what resonates with you in different capacities and form your own invention.

NATASHA: Yes, understand. I felt that way. Thank you so much.

NATASHA: My aunt she was in the hospital with filled lungs and stuff...
and I tried to apply this two point method ...
I was wondering if it was helpful...

ELIAS: Yes, but let me be clear in expressing to you that it is very important that you recognize what your identification and perception is of what is helpful and what is successful. For yes, was it influencing and was it helpful? Yes. Not necessarily entirely in the manner that you might perceive for what you did was generate an offering of energy. The individual configures that in the manner that they choose. And therefore yes, it was beneficial but it may not yield precisely the results that you would deem to be helpful, or that you would deem to be successful. But that is not to say that it is not.

DANIIL: When I was doing that I was...
More playful and light and have fun with it...
But there was one point when I visualized a light that was separate from the body and I ask myself does it want to go closer or does it want to go further and disappear...

ELIAS: And it matters not. For it is not necessarily for you to do. In that I’m understanding your curiosity and wanting to understand what the intention was and what the direction was. But ultimately it is a matter you merely offering that energy and letting go, so to speak. And it will generate in the manner that is most beneficial. Therefore, it matters not whether you are aware whether it would move closer or further away, for whatever the choice was, was not yours.

NATASHA: So usually it would be beneficial in the terms of whoever you are offering it to. Up to that person...

ELIAS: Yes. Then they will manipulate that energy. Correct. And whatever is beneficial to them in their direction and in their own desire. And in that it is not a matter of what you imagine. Although at times it can be fun or curious to continue to observe and in that to watch what the choice is, but not to be interfering with that choice.

DANIIL: For me to be grateful, it seems to me like...
Why does it appears to be interfering, I am careful to be light and playful...

ELIAS: No, that is what you are doing for you, that is your method of engaging the energy. Therefore that is how you are interacting with your energy. Not how the other individual is interacting with your energy. That is you engaging your energy, and in that you may actually see some aspects of the other individual’s energy, but whatever you are doing in manipulating your energy, that is you playing with you. Not necessarily affecting the other individual or manifesting in relation to the other individual.

DANIIL: That makes sense.

DANIIL: We were talking about the levels. She was saying you are on one level and I am on the other...and I couldn’t figure out...
Was that more a transition kind of thing?
What was she seeing?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, and yes definitely transitional. At times dependent upon the degree in which an individual is engaging transition, it can begin to appear to them in layers. And it is understandable that she would describe it as levels. What the individual sees, so to speak, is their reality in a very different capacity. Therefore there appears to be a separation between layers of reality and it seems to be sectioned. For, you are designed, you have designed yourselves with the structure of your body consciousness which perceives reality in a specific manner. A cohesive, seamless manner. That is not precisely how reality is, but it is how you have formed your perception of physical reality.

The further an individual moves into transition within physical focus, for it is different within physical focus than within nonphysical, the more body consciousness is attempting to fit what is being perceived into the structure what is known in your reality. Therefore, the objective awareness begins to somewhat compartmentalize. It creates separations to assimilate that information that is unknown to the individual.

NATASHA: So it is an attempt to interpret...

ELIAS: Yes, for she is viewing reality in multiple layers. Therefore there are multiple aspects of reality. I have expressed previously, you are presently sitting within a room, and you are sitting upon solid furniture. But simultaneously, in THIS room there are multiples of furniture, there are multiples of you, and there are multiples of each other, and in that you see one set. When you move further into transition those veils of separation are thin or dropped. But your objective awareness is very connected to your body consciousness within physical focus. In that it does not entirely understand what it is perceiving. Therefore it compartmentalizes to understand and interpret more efficiently.

DANIIL: And when you say multiples, you mean other aspects or what?

ELIAS: Both. Therefore she could be aware of being in a particular location, such as this room, and also be aware that her objective awareness or the primary aspect of her objective awareness, the bulk of her objective awareness is in a different layer of this reality then you are occupying. Therefore there is also an awareness that they do not entirely intercept. There is a veil of separation between them. You cannot see that layer that her objective awareness is occupying, and she is aware that although she can see you and perceive you, figuratively speaking, it is as though you are in another room. And there’s a wall that is translucent, but there is a wall that separates you from her, and she does not know to breach that wall. But she also knows that you cannot breach it. You cannot step into her aspect of reality even though she can see you.

NATASHA: Yes, she was asking about those...how come we are in the front row...
One type of transportation, and she travels different transportation.

ELIAS: Yes, yes. In a manner of speaking you could visualize an elevator, and you are upon a particular floor in the building, and the elevator is open but it is not level with your floor. And she is in the elevator, she can see you, but she is not walking on your floor, and in that she is in-between. And is aware that she is in-between, is aware of that separation, and is aware of the differences of the realities. But also is aware that she exists and she is continuing to exist physically. Therefore it creates a dilemma and a confusion that she cannot move into your layer, and she knows you cannot move into her layer.

DANIIL: Yeah she was if it was time for her...so we had this discussion which we cannot help now that she is...
At that state we had quite a discussion...

ELIAS: Yes, cause it can be quite frightening to an individual. You are very accustomed to being very singular in how you perceive, and when that changes, and when you begin to perceive in other manners that you are not familiar with it can be very frightening. And it can feel very much as a lack of control. And therefore it is not that she does not remember, but just as with any individual in a frightening situation. For the most part most individuals do not choose to revisit frightening situations. They would rather continue in the safe direction, and not engage that frightening direction. But I would express that this has been a unique opportunity that you have offered to yourselves to glimpse that. For most individuals within that state of awareness do not incorporate as much ability to articulate their awareness of what they are experiencing. And that is a rare opportunity.

DANIIL: She’s a good storyteller.

ELIAS: Ha, ha, ha. And you are good participants in this story.

NATASHA: I thank you so so much.

ELIAS: You are very welcome as always my dear friends. I shall always be anticipating our next meeting. I shall be offering my energy to each of you continuously to remind you perhaps to not be creating such physical display. And to be reminding you gentleness and listening. Ha, ha, ha.

To you both in tremendous lovingness and great affection as always, my dear friends, Au revoir.

NATASHA AND DANIIL: Au revoir.


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