Session 202004011


Session 20200401-1
“The Trauma of Self-Structuring”
“Interconnectedness Is Beginning to Hit Home”
"Helping Rather Than Opposing Differences"
“Propaganda to Promote Fear”
“Panic will Peak Soon, Then More Calm”

Wednesday, April 1, 2020 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael), Debbie (Tamarra) and Philip (Paetre)

ELIAS: Good day!

PHILIP: Ah! Good day, Elias.

DEBBIE: Hello, Elias.

ELIAS: And what shall we discuss?

PHILIP: Well, this current time frame we’re in, and what we’re experiencing and expressing, is most interesting from a social aspect of it and how it’s bringing everything into question. And one of the things I guess I’d like to start with is this idea that a lot of the stuff that’s happening right now and is being addressed to and expressed is stuff that I’ve been pushing hard for, for a handful of years now, really since I came together with Debbie, and even more so. And now I’m quite conflicted, because on the one hand I’m really quite pleased that these types of changes are coming about and that some of the ideas that I’ve been talking about and thinking about so diligently are to the forefront, and—

ELIAS: Such as?

PHILIP: Oh, such as better social programs, different economic systems. Making the individual more important has really been the basis of what I’ve been doing and talking about is, how to value each individual. So, all of these things have been brought into the public or the collective dialogue all of a sudden. And on the one hand, I’m very excited to see that, and on the other hand I’m kind of terrified—or not terrified, but I hate to think that somehow I created this and caused this because I was pushing something that we weren’t quite ready to address to. And it’s an odd feeling, and I don’t worry a lot about it, it’s not keeping me awake at night, but it’s almost frightening in the idea that we have this much power that we, that I actually create this thing that’s now happening. And was I pushing energy? Was I pushing too hard? I’m just kind of throwing this all out there, and I’d like your thoughts on it, Elias.

ELIAS: I understand. And what I would say to you is, are you creating it? Yes. But not alone. Were you pushing in that direction? Yes. Did that generate an additional energy in this direction? Yes. Was it affecting? Yes. But you didn’t create this event yourself. This is a massive mass event. And in that, EVERYONE is participating in one manner or another. And therefore, EVERYONE has created it, in different degrees. But in that, also understand that were you pushing in the direction of what this is about?—yes, you were, but I would say that the trauma in relation to this would have happened regardless.

PHILIP: Ah. I guess that was one of the things that disturbed me, is that, you know, did I create something that added to the trauma?

ELIAS: No.

PHILIP: And when you get to it, I’d also like you to address to do you have an impression of this expression of the collectives as part of the shift? Do you have an impression of this…? I mean, I know there’s no good choice or bad choice, but what is your impression of this as a choice of the collective, to express what we’re expressing now in this way?

ELIAS: First of all, I don’t have impressions.

PHILIP: Okay. (Both laugh) Okay.

ELIAS: But, but I can express what my observation is in relation to what you are doing, what you are choosing collectively. And in that, as I expressed previously, I was expressing this in relation to our group interaction the previous fall, that this was the direction you were already moving in. Therefore, this was inevitable that this mass event would happen, because that was the energy that was already being expressed. That was the reason that I was expressing that information at that time, in a manner of speaking to prepare you for what was coming in association with what you were choosing en masse. And what I would say is that in this, it wouldn’t have mattered whether you were pushing and participating in that direction or whether you weren’t at all—the mass event would have occurred anyway.

PHILIP: I see.

ELIAS: And the trauma would have occurred anyway, because that was the direction of the masses. And in this, I would say that what is interesting about all of this action and interaction in relation to this mass event is how surprised everyone is. I have been expressing to all of you, in your terms in your linear reality for more than twenty-five years, and expressing to you every year that there is trauma being expressed with this shift, and now you are seeing it en masse and you are surprised. Did you actually think that people could move in a direction of being self-directing and self-structuring easily? (Pause)

PHILIP: I know in my own…if I look back on this period, I guess I couldn’t see how…I knew where we were going, but I couldn’t see how we could possibly get from here to there, given what was the status quo, say, what was the typical experience. So, having an event like this, it really in my lifetime this is a… I can think of no other event, mass events like this in my lifetime that affected the whole world like this—not to this extent. So, I almost had trouble believing it was ever going to change. Like it was… I just couldn’t grasp where it was going to turn.

ELIAS: And I would say that I understand, and I would also say that it couldn’t turn entirely without trauma, without some trauma. And I would also say that what is… I would say interesting but almost amusing, is that as humans you automatically think that if there was going to be trauma, it would be in relation to money, because you think of the Great Depression. You think that, yes, money would be the subject that would definitely create the trauma. And therefore, in a manner of speaking, many, many, many of you have in a type of expression been attempting to prepare yourselves for the trauma that would ensue in relation to the change with money, and money becoming absolute, and money being not the main part of your system of exchange, when in actuality, because of your Great Depression you have been moving in the direction of changing with money, as I expressed, for over fifty years – slowly, gradually, to avoid any trauma with THAT subject. You won’t likely see much trauma with that subject at all.

But the subject of being self-structuring? People don’t even know what that means. They don’t know how to do that. They don’t even understand what those words mean. What does that mean? In that, not being told what to do? And I would say that it is interesting that the response after that group interaction in your previous fall, all of the individuals that were privy to that conversation walked away, and when they thought about it they thought about two pieces: one, that they aren’t part of the masses, and two, being concerned with the elite few that are behind the scenes and that are controlling everyone—both of which are entirely incorrect! Almost everyone that was participating in that conversation and that was privy to that conversation are part of the masses. Every individual, as I said, that goes to a job every day is part of the masses. The difficulty is that people that were privy to that conversation, that session, were automatically labelling the masses, which is not them because they immediately ALL expressed that they aren’t part of the masses—which is entirely incorrect, because there are very few of you that actually aren’t part of the masses. And even those of you that aren’t, were.

PHILIP: You bet.

DEBBIE: Yep.

ELIAS: But you learned how to move in a different direction. You made choices. And in the beginning, those choices weren’t easy.

PHILIP: No. It was terrifying at times.

ELIAS: In the beginning, it – yes, it was frightening, it was difficult, it was confusing. You didn’t know quite what to do or how to do it, but you learned. But YOU learned gradually.

PHILIP: Yes.

ELIAS: You had time, because you GAVE yourself time. And in that, you made choices to not be in that massive workforce any longer, and you made choices to move in a direction of self-structuring and self-directing and that you wanted to do that outside of that mass workforce.

Now, as I expressed in our recent group interaction on your computers, this doesn’t mean that when this mass event is finished that people won’t be returning to jobs—they will.

PHILIP: Right.

ELIAS: But their perception will be different, and they will be beginning to move in that direction of being more self-directing and more self-structuring. But they have been thrown into this.

PHILIP: Right.

ELIAS: And they have been thrust into it in a very small time framework.

PHILIP: Sure.

ELIAS: Therefore, in that, yes, they ARE experiencing trauma. But even those of you that aren’t experiencing trauma, you are experiencing challenges. This is not an easy time for anyone, because you may not be experiencing trauma, but you definitely have to learn how to maneuver. NOW that piece of interconnectedness is beginning to hit home.

PHILIP: It sure is.

ELIAS: That when masses of people move in certain directions, you can’t escape it. This is what I was expressing previously about the herd stampeding. And in that, if you are directly in the path of the stampede, and any of you that are not actually addressing to the self-structuring and the self-direction—which, even those of you that aren’t experiencing trauma with that, even those of you that know how to do that are being challenged with it, because you have to learn how to flow around the herd that is stampeding—therefore, there are pieces that you will have to restructure in how YOU self-structure. Therefore, that creates challenges for you also.

But in this, it is quite fascinating to watch—

PHILIP: It is.

ELIAS: --for you are all interacting in what you are doing; and in that, which of you move in directions that are actually being aware of that interconnectedness and realizing that it is very important to flow with it rather than against it? And those of you that are pushing hard against it? And those of you that are moving in that panic?

Now, fortunately for the two of you, not only have you had time to be moving in the direction of self-structuring and self-directing, but you have also presented some significant challenges to yourselves already in relation to having some significant opposition in relation to whatever direction you choose.

PHILIP: Yes.

ELIAS: Even as we discussed in our previous conversation, when other individuals have moved in a direction of expressing that they don’t want to be moving in certain directions and therefore they leave it to you, but then they oppose you with it anyway.

PHILIP: Right.

ELIAS: Therefore, the two of you have definitely (laughs) presented some of these types of challenges that are occurring now with the masses. You’ve already given yourself a significant number of those types of challenges, and therefore you have some experience in addressing to that. And you have already had conversations with myself in relation to how to address to these situations, what to do in relation to that type of opposition, and how to maneuver, and what is to your greatest benefit, and when you think you are moving in the right direction is it actually the right direction? Therefore, you and I have incorporated many conversations in relation to all of this movement through the times that you have been engaging it yourselves. Therefore, you have somewhat of an advantage that this isn’t new.

PHILIP: Right.

ELIAS: It may be… not more intense, because I would definitely say that many of the situations that you have engaged have been quite intense—

PHILIP: Yes.

ELIAS: — but it is more condensed. Everything is happening very quickly and in very short time frameworks. And everything is changing very quickly, but I would say that you have definitely been accomplishing well throughout this.

Now, I would ask you each what your perception is in relation to some limitations of your choices. You have been accustomed to interacting with your father when you want to and when you choose to, and now that isn’t always possible.

DEBBIE: I will address to that, Elias. By addressing to this abruptness—and that’s been a word that I wrote down when we were talking with Michael as well—it's abruptness energy that’s actually quite affecting to not only the mind but the body consciousness. It’s quite an all-encompassing result of this expression. Or can you define that better for me, when I speak about abruptness?

ELIAS: It IS abrupt. And in that, yes, it is very affecting.

DEBBIE: So we have learned to work—because we had also been experiencing over this past year a lot of abruptness and a lot of what seemed like limitation that you worked with us through—so we were, in a manner of speaking, much more well-positioned as we’re getting this with the collective. One being that my father, we get to a point that we go in a different direction, expand and put him, work with him in a facility that abruptly, because of the virus situation, closed off our ability to interact with him one-to-one in person. And that, as you know, caused me great distress because of the abruptness, and I had to really sit on my hands and not do what I was shouting in my head in a control sense of going, “Well, if that’s the case I DO have a choice,” and the choice that was loudest was I was going to grab him right back out. And I allowed myself that… that determined statement. I allowed it, without running over it, and sat with that, and then eased back into my chair and realized is that necessarily what I want? It was too black and white. And I eased back in my chair and realized there were going to be more choices. And even though—

ELIAS: And is that what HE would want?

DEBBIE: Exactly. Because it would make—

ELIAS: Because that is part of it.

DEBBIE: Yes.

ELIAS: It isn’t only about each of you, but it is also about each other. And in that, why I began addressing to individuals in relation to this mass event and expressing to them that one of the main subjects about this is difference, and in that, not moving in a direction of opposing, not minimizing, and rather moving in the direction of expressing, “Can I help you?”

In this, it was from the beginning a challenge in relation to cooperation rather than opposition. And it was obvious that most of you were going to express opposition first, because that is the defense.

DEBBIE: Yes.

ELIAS: Something is threatening you. Even if it isn’t the virus, or even if it isn’t the self-structuring that is threatening you, something is threatening you. None of you are immune.

Therefore, in that, I very much acknowledge what you are expressing, that that would be the first direction: “No, you won’t make choices for me. I will make choices, and I will yank him out of there.” But it isn’t only about you. And would he want to be yanked out of there?

DEBBIE: Not necessarily.

ELIAS: He likes it!

DEBBIE: Right. Exactly.

ELIAS: I acknowledge you that you stopped (Debbie laughs) and that—

DEBBIE: I still play around, as you know. It’s been going on three weeks, but it’s been wonderful subject matter, because it’s every day it shows up just that much differently. And it takes a lot of… You know, it’s very worthwhile to pay attention to myself in that.

ELIAS: Yes. And then to discover how to maneuver and how to flow differently—therefore, once again, how to structure yourself differently.

DEBBIE: Ah.

ELIAS: Because now you have to alter that structure. You had to alter the structure when you put him in the assisted living situation, but you were still involving yourself with him.

DEBBIE: Correct.

ELIAS: Now you have to restructure again. And what is the restructuring NOW about? It IS about just you, or you and your partner, or looking at other directions that are important to you.

DEBBIE: Yes.

ELIAS: Other directions, other people, and in that, readjusting the structure to not be as much around your father.

DEBBIE: Right. Or rushing off to New York in that sense, which changed up. It was a double fold for me, because that’s why I noticed it last week. I’m sitting here going, “Well, it’s all about my dad and this abrupt change,” and then once Dad got situated, the plan, quote-unquote, was then to go to New York. And then THOSE abrupt limitations seemingly came down, so I found myself here very, in a very unusual place, space, going, “Well, isn’t THIS just dandy? I’m sitting here now without my dad,” yet not necessarily in an automatic direction what I thought I was going to do, because the key word was automatic. I was going get in and then move in the other direction of my importances. So, but I also—

ELIAS: And in the position of no one to take care of! (Pause) Therefore, what do you pay attention to? And what do you do?

DEBBIE: And that was an interesting place to find myself, and I was pleased I didn’t… I actually gave myself a seemingly limitation so I didn’t move in an automatic direction. Meaning, the virus and the quarantine and the lockdowns and the seeming idea of not mindlessly rushing toward that New York direction right now, I would have done that automatically without examining if I truly wanted that movement. Because of… I’m kind of using, at least subjectively, using the limitations to make me stop and really evaluate how I want to move.

ELIAS: I agree. I would also express that it could have been an opportunity for you to engage some actions and activities that you have been wanting to do but that you had limitations or you had difficulties in doing because of your obligations to family and to your father—directions that you wanted to do for fun: visiting people, engaging in your own directions that you haven’t necessarily allowed yourself to do because of all of the obligations that you perceived that you had in relation to family.

DEBBIE: Yes. And my partner was the one—

ELIAS: But you didn’t do it. You didn’t give yourself permission to move in that direction. You have no obligation and no responsibility and no one to take care of, and therefore you automatically have this freedom at your fingertips and you didn’t see it.

DEBBIE: Yes. I was aware that I was fighting with myself about that, but it wasn’t enough to make me drop it. There’s like a lingering energy almost that we don’t trust it, like when I knew—

ELIAS: Yes, because you are also accepting the limitation: “I can’t do this. I’m being told I can’t do this. I’m being told I have to stay home. I can’t move.” That isn’t necessarily what you are being told, if you actually look at what has been occurring.

This is the reason that I have expressed several times, part of the trauma is that people AREN’T being told what to do. They have been given a suggestion to stay at home—they aren’t being mandated to stay at home, because they can’t be. You actually, in your country and in many other countries around the world, because of certain actions that occurred during your second world war, your country and many other countries created laws after that second world war in relation to the general population, that there are certain expressions that the government cannot do. It cannot quarantine you. It can generate a suggestion that you quarantine yourself. It can give you a suggestion that you stay at home voluntarily, but it cannot mandate that you do that. It can express curfews, but it cannot isolate you to the point in which you cannot leave your home, because that has been generated in actual laws because of internment camps.

PHILIP: Yes.

ELIAS: Therefore, to prevent any hint of the movement in the direction of internment camps, laws have been established throughout your world in many different countries to prevent and limit the government in certain types of expressions. Therefore, they have generated suggestions that you stay at home and that you limit yourself, but they can’t mandate that to you. But you accepted the suggestion, because why? Because you accepted that it was being expressed as safer. Even if you don’t entirely believe that, you accepted it anyway.

Now, I am not saying that that is bad. I am merely expressing that in relation to everything that the two of you have presented to yourselves in I would say this past two years especially, but beyond that, that you have incorporated a considerable amount of time in which you have presented significant challenges to yourself. And in this present time framework, you have actually created an entire reprieve for yourselves. Not many individuals are doing that. (Chuckles) And what you have done is created this situation in which you actually have no obligations and no responsibilities and no one to take care of presently. You are free as birds.

DEBBIE: So let’s behave like the birds, Phil.

PHILIP: Right. (Elias and Debbie laugh)

DEBBIE: Elias, can I revisit a little bit of something and pull it forward?

ELIAS: Most definitely.

DEBBIE: You talked about, in our group interactions, about we are in a position where we’ve drawn this information to us—many, many, many of us—and that is an advantage in a manner of speaking. And I’ve been showing myself kind of the challenge of how to interact and offer to people from this position, and it hasn’t necessarily been easy. For example, --and I do have to admit I probably fed into a little fear energy at the onset when I became aware, interesting enough at the point when my dad did go into the facility I found myself very fascinated with, immersed myself into this virus action from when it was over in China. But besides that, the point I want to make is, watching this like tsunami come in and admitting that I may have picked up a little fear energy before I could manage that, it was an interesting challenge to interact with those that were important to me, let’s say in the New York area with the kids, and how to be present with them and interact with them, not to ever have a feeling of I should have or could have imparted information that they weren’t aware of. And it was a little tricky. And I actually erred on I didn’t want to be careful and cautious, because I knew that would generate regretful actions, so I did ask questions, I did check in, and that was very helpful in making me think I was doing something about [it]. It’s like having this information, not wanting to be like a Chicken Little, understanding where people are and knowing that they’re going to experience trauma.

And actually, that’s my final piece, is the feeling from me, my uncomfortableness knowing that my young adult children were choosing and I am supportive of them being in Long Island, right outside of this epicenter hotspot currently, and my uncomfortableness with them being most likely going to incorporate trauma. Now I’ve thrown a lot of pieces out there. Can you speak to that, what I’ve offered here?

ELIAS: And what did I express in our group interaction? In our recent computer conversation?

DEBBIE: About how to… Oh yes, the more action we can do is offering a calming, settled energy and rippling that out.

ELIAS: And?

DEBBIE: And doing more action.

ELIAS: And? (Pause) Thinking about the individuals that you are interacting with: considering what they enjoy, what they do, and making suggestions. Because, what is the point? People are experiencing trauma because they don’t know how to self-structure. Therefore, what is significant is to simply listen to them and acknowledge them, and then—if the opportunity presents itself—you can speak with them about their interests and what they enjoy doing, and make suggestions that they do that. Because in that, what you are doing is precisely the point. You are encouraging them to self-structure. You are encouraging them to think for themselves, to think about what interests them, what they enjoy doing and to do that, rather than simply panic and continue to wait for authorities to tell them what to do.

DEBBIE: Very good.

ELIAS: Because the authorities AREN’T telling them what to do. The authorities are giving them propaganda information on a daily basis.

What is propaganda information?

DEBBIE: Misinformation, with a piece that they’re leading you in a certain direction purposefully.

ELIAS: The second part of what you are saying is correct.

DEBBIE: Right.

ELIAS: The first part of what you were saying is not entirely correct. It isn’t necessarily misinformation.

DEBBIE: Oh. It’s picking up the pieces to put a story together and then directing people toward that story very purposefully.

PHILIP: Narrative.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEBBIE: The narrative. Gotcha.

ELIAS: That.

DEBBIE: Gotcha.

ELIAS: It isn’t necessarily that they are giving them misinformation; generally, they aren’t.

DEBBIE: Correct.

ELIAS: They are giving them information, valid information but that isn’t useful, and therefore not actually telling them what to do, but giving them information that they know steers them in the direction that they want them to move in.

In a manner of speaking, if you think about the herd of wildebeests that are stampeding, how do you control that? Put fences up that will guide them in turns in their stampede. It doesn’t stop them from stampeding, but it guides them to a degree. And of course there will always be the wild wildebeests that will jump the fence or break it, but for the most part the herd will move in the direction that the fence is directing them in.

And that is what your authorities are doing: maintaining the fear. What are they talking about? Not what to do, but continuing to talk about the virus as if it were the most deadly, frightening monster that could possibly come towards you. Godzilla has arisen and is stomping his way directly towards you—that basically is the message.

Is that useful information? No. Is it purposeful? Most definitely, because it maintains the fear, and then how do you move once you are continuing to maintain the fear? Because panic ensues with fear, then you isolate. You tell them they cannot work, they cannot socialize, they cannot congregate. But they aren’t actually telling them they CAN’T do; they are making suggestions that they SHOULDN’T do.

DEBBIE: Yes. Well, what I see is what happened—I will say what dropped in yesterday was a shift, a purposeful shift in that propaganda and the fear—is that now they’re accepting. You know, not only are they accepting that this virus is a terrible, threatening enemy of the nth degree, but what we’re now doing is they’re saying in a sense trying to prepare people for this 100 and 150,000s of deaths, let say, in America. Now that’s what catches my attention, too, because I think because of that falling into place, and I’m watching New York especially on the heels of Italy here, for example, I think this has a potential to have a very daunting twist sooner than later, Elias. Is that a conversation for another time?

ELIAS: It remains to be seen, but I would agree with you.

DEBBIE: Because I think that element—you know, yes, we’re all living in the fear and we’re hopping around and the wildebeests are running around and whatnot—but I think this is going to be a significant shift in this country in the very near foreseeable future. I can feel it in my cells, and I don’t want to. And I think it’s centered into the pieces we talked about outlined in our webinar and what you just re-established, and I will do that. But it just is something I want to express to you that I am uncertain. And I am not fearful, except for that piece where I hold the trauma around those who are important to me that might be affected more directly by this geographically. But I feel that this might be a turn, and I just wanted to make that statement so it’s not so scary for me and doesn’t have to be so inflated. And I know I can move through it, but if you could just speak to that.

ELIAS: I would agree. I would say first of all, it remains to be seen.

DEBBIE: Okay.

ELIAS: But I would say that at this point you are reaching the peak. Therefore, I would definitely say to you that just as with an individual body, you can only maintain panic for so long.

DEBBIE: Ah, right.

ELIAS: Your body consciousness won’t continue to maintain it and express it indefinitely. And the mass is very much the same. You can look at mass expressions in the same manner as you look at your own individual body consciousness. And in that, panic cannot be maintained indefinitely. And what has happened is a very natural phenomenon, that it has moved in a progression—a considerably RAPID progression—which in one capacity is somewhat fortunate, because you have quickly moved to the crescendo. Therefore, at this point you are, for the most part, reaching your peak. And from that, then it will begin to subside. But also understand: think about an individual that is hysterical. Can you calm that individual instantly?

DEBBIE: No.

ELIAS: No. It requires time for the individual to calm from hysteria, and this is very similar. The panic and the hysteria en masse, when it reaches its peak it will require some time to settle and to calm, but it will. And it will start moving downward in that calming expression. I would say that it is likely that it will reach the entire peak – and this could change, but at this point it is likely that it will reach the entire peak I would say within another week. And from that point, it is likely that it will begin to descend.

DEBBIE: Thank you, Elias, because that seemed important that you share that. We’ll share that outward, too, but to share that with me. Because for some reason it seemed significant. Thank you.

ELIAS: And let me express to you a reassurance. There is a tremendous emphasis on numbers presently—tremendous, tremendous emphasis on numbers. And what is not being expressed to you—or it is to a degree, but the degree is such that it also suggests differently. It suggests that everyone is in a position of being vulnerable to this virus and that it is likely to kill everyone that activates it. That is very incorrect—very incorrect. And it is a matter of reminding yourselves that in certain places there may be larger populations of people that have already expressed compromised immune systems or that are older individuals that have compromised immune systems or have poor health already, and I would say especially in your country. And the reason I say that is because in your country, the factor of maintaining health as a lifestyle is very unpopular, which is obvious in relation to how many people in your country engage conversations with myself about what to eat and what not to eat. How popular your fast food shops are! Your country does not move in a direction of promoting mass health. Your country moves in a direction of promoting mass ill health; therefore, it is not surprising that individuals would be moving in these directions of incorporating some difficulties with this virus.

And remember: it is all interconnected. This situation, this mass event, is creating so many obvious pieces of imagery, in so many directions, it is astounding. Almost everything that I talk to you about is being played out in imagery right in front of you.

DEBBIE: Right. I agree.

PHILIP: Definitely agree with that.

ELIAS: It is astounding how obvious it is and how incredibly blatant it is. All you have to do is look around you, and all of these concepts are playing out as if they are a movie directly in front of you—every one of them.

PHILIP: I think that’s what scared me, where I started the conversation is, I’m like this is all I’ve been doing, we’ve been doing for a handful of years now and now it’s all happening. And oh my god! Did I do this? Did we do this? Or are we in our own reality somewhere?

ELIAS: Did you do this? Yes. And I would say that—as I did, it would have happened anyway—but I would say congratulations! Because it was going to happen and trauma was going to ensue, but people require shifting. This shift is happening, whether people like it or not. (Chuckles)

PHILIP: Ah. Right. Well, I know I’m—

ELIAS: If they realize they are participating in it or not, it’s happening.

DEBBIE: And you can either walk across the road or go through that labyrinth, as I think you said.

ELIAS: Precisely. And at this point, you aren’t giving yourselves a labyrinth—you are throwing yourselves into it.

DEBBIE: Ah. Excellent. Thank you, Elias.

PHIL: Thank you, Elias. Thank you very much. I would like to have another conversation soon. I think there’s… one of my ideas that I wanted to discuss with you when it was appropriate was I’m starting to see how we can now move forward and what our next steps are. And we’re going to have fun playing with that in between now and the next time we talk.

ELIAS: Congratulations. And I agree. And I am tremendously, tremendously encouraging you. Well done, continue on. And what I would say to you is don’t worry. Remember what I was expressing in relation to that is that certain areas have large populations of people that likely would be more affected in activating the virus than other people. Therefore, it spikes the numbers and makes them seem more ominous than they actually are. But I would also say to you that young people that are relatively healthy, even if they contract or activate the virus they will survive. They will recover. They will not feel well for approximately ten days, but they will survive and they will recover. Therefore, don’t worry.

PHILIP: Very good.

DEBBIE AND PHILIP: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome. I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting, my friends. In tremendous love to you and in great encouragement, au revoir.

DEBBIE AND PHILIP: Au revoir.

(Elias departs after 1 hour 8 minutes)