Session 201603091

“Wants Versus Desire”
“Segmenting and Compartmentalizing”
“The Simple Answer: Trust Yourself”
“Expressing and Releasing Energy”

Wednesday March 9, 2016 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Jean (Lyla)

ELIAS: Good morning!

JEAN: Good morning, Elias! It is a thrill to engage you.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And how have you been proceeding?

JEAN: I have been proceeding quite well, and I think since our last objective conversation I even feel like I’m just a different person in the movements. I feel like my triggers, they come less often and I move through them more quickly. I find that I’m not going to those deep dark places as often or for as long as I used to.

ELIAS: Congratulations!

JEAN: And that’s huge!

ELIAS: I agree.

JEAN: That’s huge. So I would like to start out by asking some statistics for a forum member, Kathy Smickle.

ELIAS: Very well.

JEAN: Okay, essence name? And she has a feeling it might be something like Rom, R‐O‐M?

ELIAS: Close. Romi.

JEAN: Wow! Could you spell that?


JEAN: Wow! She was really close! And her impression is she is Milumet belonging, Tumold aligned.

ELIAS: Correct.

JEAN: Intermediate.

ELIAS: Correct.

JEAN: And thought.

ELIAS: Correct.

JEAN: Excellent. And how many focuses in this dimension?

ELIAS: (Pause) 2,043.

JEAN: Excellent. And then I’d like to throw in a family member, my next oldest sister. And she’s been quite a challenge for me as far as her statistics because I see so many things in her, but I’m going to take a stab at it and I’m going to say she’s Sumari belonging, Vold aligned.

ELIAS: Correct.

JEAN: Wow! Now, the orientation has been tough, and I’ve been going back between common and soft because of her focus on objective imagery is so intense, so...

ELIAS: Common.

JEAN: Common, thank you. And then obviously an emotional focus.


JEAN: And then her intent, and this will really help me understand her better: it has something to do with exploring intensities through creating dramas. Am I close?

ELIAS: Extreme.

JEAN: So the intent is extremity?

ELIAS: Her intent is exploring extremes.

JEAN: Oh, wow! And boy has she ever done that, from health to all sorts of things. Wow.

Okay, well, let me just ask something for Val. Is there any information that we could pass on as to her movement? Because she is just being so brave in moving through change, and I’m sure she’d like to hear something from you.

ELIAS: In what capacity?

JEAN: In that sense that just going in new directions, she’s kind of up on an isolated area in Vermont and it’s so difficult to see if you’re making any progress or movement, but she’s starting to engage some housesitting services for people, which incorporates taking care of animals, etc., etc. And I think she’s finally being open to allowing people to help her, and for her the big step is allowing the medical community to step in and be accepting of what they have to offer.

ELIAS: I would agree.

JEAN: Yeah…

ELIAS: And I would express that if she continues to be open and to be aware of what is presenting itself to her, [in] this, that will be considerably helpful. Meaning not to be looking for a signal or signs or looking for opportunities, but to be open to everything that presents itself; that she’s moving in the direction of her desire, and that is an important factor to be aware of.

Desire can include wants but it is different from want, in that wants are more specific. Desire is more precise, but wants are more specific and more singular.

She’s moving in the direction of her desire, and allowing is a tremendous piece with that. For when an individual is actively moving in the direction of their desire, you present to yourselves many opportunities and expressions that are unexpected, for your desire moves in the direction of what is to your greatest satisfaction, what will produce your greatest satisfaction. A want is one direction and is generally temporary and is segmented, for it is separated into one [inaudible] expression.

JEAN: Right.

ELIAS: But your desire does not focus in only one direction. Your desire moves in one whole picture, the all-encompassing whole view, and therefore it moves out in an entire circle around you, rather than one beam. And in that, what you present to yourself may be very unexpected but moves you in a direction of your desire and that greatest satisfaction, even in some experiences that seem that they are moving in the wrong direction, in your individual estimations, or they are not moving in the manner that you want them to.

There are many situations and time frameworks in which what you will present to yourself in relation to your desire - if you are OPEN to it and allowing - will actually move you into a fulfillment. Therefore, that is what I would express to her, is to be open, to not dismiss; and in that, to allow whatever is presenting itself, and in that you perhaps evaluate what piece of what I am presenting to myself is possibly in the direction of what I want.

JEAN: Excellent, thank you. I think that pertains to many of us.

ELIAS: I would agree.

JEAN: Absolutely. Okay, my next question is from Alfredo on the forum, and I’m going to read to you what he wrote. I did alter it slightly just to make the question flow a little bit better in English, and it is:

“Although this seems not to be my problem, it appears to me that many individuals sooner or later come to a sort of crisis in relation to information received from sources such as Elias, Seth or other essences. These problems seem most related to a disappointment of sorts on their expectations with regard to the solution of specific problems or to the accomplishments of equally specific desires.

“Perhaps it would be useful for some information of how to handle this kind of ” - (laughing) and he uses the word ‘neurosis’ - “due to the search of objective results or proofs that as a result, a real result in the end leads to moving away from the material because of exhaustion or frustration from a type of research that initially seemed to promote great results.

“My curiosity is not of just a personal nature in this case. As for me, this matter is always interesting in and of itself, but I am interested to know if there is a kind of criterion to propose or to share - for example, in our Elias forum - to help many avoid a sense of disappointment.”

ELIAS: (Chuckles)

JEAN: I just think that’s so beautifully put because you can sense there is just so much frustration right now, and a lot of people, you know, are just kind of spitting the bit. And yes, please…(Pause). Please comment.

ELIAS: Very well. I would express, in actuality it is very simple: that for the most part, most individuals, most people, when they are presenting to themselves situations and experiences that are frustrating or uncomfortable, or frightening, they are so focused on the problem that it is very difficult for them to see the answer. And in that, when an individual is so focused on the problem, what they want is an immediate answer. But they have a preconceived idea as to the formation of that immediate answer. They want a type of answer in which they are told some action specifically that they can do immediately that will change the situation.

Now; in that, I would express that generally speaking, the answer to almost every situation or problem is in actuality quite simple, but the individuals - the people - do not want to listen to the simple answer. They look at the situation or the problem and they segment, they compartmentalize, they piece situations, whether it be with themself, with a health issue, or a relationship with another individual, or a family situation, or work situation, or with their creatures. It matters not what it is; it could be with their home, with their possessions, with the law - it could be anything.

And in that, when the individual presents to themself a situation - an experience that they perceive as serious and has importance, and therefore large - what they want is a compartmentalized answer. If they are incorporating a very difficult situation at their workplace, they want an answer about work, about employment. “Tell me what to do, or tell me what other employment I should seek out, and be specific,” for they are compartmentalizing: This is the problem. This is what requires the answer.

If they are engaging difficulties with their family: “This is the problem. Tell me how to approach my family members in this specific type of situation, for this specific type of situation is always what creates the conflict between myself and my family members. Tell me how to address this situation, what to do or how to leave it.” If it is a health problem: “Tell me what specifically is wrong with me, why did I create it [inaudible], and how to fix it now.”

It matters not what the situation is. The problem is that they do not like the answer. They do not trust the answer, for they do not trust themselves and their ability.

The answer is very simple, regardless of what the problem is. The answer is what are you paying attention to and changing that, but that is always almost met with opposition: “I have a pain, I cannot help but pay attention to the pain.” But this is part of the problem, is that people incorporate this tendency to express two very important points. One is that they tend to be very black and white, either/or, and that they tend to compartmentalize, section, segment: “My body is one piece of my reality. My work is one piece of my reality. My friendships is one piece. My relationship with my partner is one piece. My family is one piece. My animals is one piece. My play time is one piece.”

No, all of it is all of you. All of that is all interconnected in the whole of you. And what binds it all together is the energy that you are projecting, that you are expressing, regardless of whether it is something that you are looking at about yourself, or whether it is something that you are looking at that involves some outside source, whether it be an institution, other people, physical manifestation, inanimate objects, the weather. It matters not.

All of it is interconnected by energy, and all of that is interconnected by the energy that you are expressing, and your energy is not segmented. It is being generated by the whole, all of it, which is the concept of focus versus essence, which I have been expressing to all of you in your physical linear time for more than twenty years and continuing to this day presently. Almost all of you continue to express that separation between you as yourself, an individual focus, and this elusive entity of your essence which is segmented, separated from you. It is another entity.

It is not another entity, it is you. All of it is you. And in that, the most significant piece in physical objective reality is what you pay attention to, because that is the most significant influencing piece of your perception, and your perception is the mechanism that creates EVERYTHING in your reality.

(Emphatically) Everything - every moment, every molecule, every atom of everything in your reality - is created by your perception. And in that, if everything is created by your perception, then reasonably speaking it would stand that it would be important to each of you to be aware of what is the most influencing factor.

What is the most important component in relation to that perception that is creating every molecule of your reality? That one piece is attention, what you pay attention to, how you direct your attention, and it is all connected.

As I have expressed, if you are walking on your street and you trip and you break your ankle, what will you likely do? What will you likely think about? You will think about how much your ankle hurts. You will likely engage some action, either a physician or some other individual, to help you to physically address to that broken bone. Then you will likely, if you are involved in this information, move in the direction of asking yourself: “Why did I create that? And how can I not create it?”

In this, you are asking that question in relation to only that bone, why that ankle is broken, not in relation to the whole of you; and you are paying attention only in one direction, to what is occurring with your ankle and how it feels and how it is limiting you or how it is affecting you. Everything begins to center around that physical manifestation. That day that you tripped and you break that bone, even if you engage a physician and they set the bone, now everything you do is being affected. Even if you are not physically in pain, everything you do is physically affected: your mood, how you function, how you interact, what you do, what you don’t do. Your perception of everything around you is colored because a significant portion of your attention is fixed on that broken aspect.

It matters not whether it is a bone, or a relationship, or a situation, or your work, or an animal that is sick; it matters not what it is. You focus your attention on what is broken and how to fix it.

First you focus on that something is broken, something is not what you want it to be, and therefore it is not right, it is wrong and essentially it is broken, and your attention immediately moves to concentrating on that expression being broken and how to fix it, and everything centers around that and it colors everything. (Pause)

(Deliberately) The simplicity of the answer is in actuality the beauty of it, for it is so powerful if you merely allow yourself to do it. Everything you do, everything you think, everything you feel, is a choice. You are not co‐creating, and you are not a victim of even your own mind. Everything is a choice. Therefore, what you pay attention to is a choice.

But the reason that individuals move in conflict and even trauma is that [the] simple answer is not the answer that they want, and the reason that it is not the answer that they want is that that answer involves - it does not require, but it does involve - an aspect of trusting yourself, and that creates the difficulty: “Can you not give me an answer that does not involve trusting myself? Merely tell me how to fix it, and I will do it.”

But in that, you each have a lifetime of experiences of fixing one situation only to have it manifest in a different direction, for it is all interconnected. And then you fix that situation and it manifests in a different direction.

In this, it is a matter of not moving in that separation, in that segmented perception, but in the recognition that everything, without exception, is interconnected, and therefore what you do in one direction affects every other direction.

When you accomplish in one direction, if you genuinely are acknowledging that and paying attention to that, it affects everything else you do in a manner that is more satisfying. But what you do is you confuse yourself in that compartmentalizing by expressing to yourself: “It does not work. It is not successful, for I am paying attention to what I appreciate. I tell myself and I notice fifteen times every day expressions and manifestations that I appreciate. I am paying attention to what I want, and it is not being successful.” Fifteen times in one day you are incorporating a moment to stop and appreciate something, and in all of the other moments, all of the minutes, all of the hours of the rest of your day that you are awake and objectively functioning, what are you paying attention to? How much you don’t have, how much you can’t do, how much you are frustrated, how much you are irritated with the expression of another individual.

Let me express to you, this question, I acknowledge, was exquisitely written and presented and with a genuine compassion, and I tremendously acknowledge that. But let me also express that if individuals were aware of what they were paying attention to and being self‐directing, not segmenting, but intentionally paying attention to what they want rather than what they don’t want, there would be none of these discussions occurring that this individual would feel required to address to.

But what prompts it is all of these individuals generating this disappointment and conflict and what they are dissatisfied with, and expressing it and echoing each other with it. And it circles and circles and circles, and the more one or two or five individuals move in the direction of expressing what they don’t want and what they don’t like and how disappointed they are and how dissatisfied they are and uncomfortable they are, more and more and more individuals echo them, and they gain support and it builds, and they pool energy in that direction without even intending to do so. And that is the energy that they are projecting outward.

And then they ask why there are actions occurring in their world that they so disagree with, and this is the point. This is what I have been expressing from the onset of this forum, that your world reflects what you do. And even individuals with considerable information continue to move in a direction of concentrating their attention in the direction of what they don’t want, what is uncomfortable, what is dissatisfying and what they don’t like, and perpetuating conflict or justifying themselves in expressing that all they should pay attention to is what they themselves are doing and nothing else. Once again, black and white.

Or, the primary number one question that almost all of you express: “Why did you do that? Why did you create that? Why did I create that? Why did that create that?” Which does what? What does that question express? What does that expression influence you to do?

JEAN: Well, it sends you into a victim mode.

ELIAS: Precisely. And what do you concentrate on?

JEAN: Whatever the problem is.

ELIAS: Precisely.

JEAN: Over and over and over and over again trying to - you know, we’ve been taught to think about it and rationalize your way through it.

ELIAS: Precisely. And that moves you nowhere. It moves you into perpetuating whatever the problem is.

I do not express to any of you to ignore what you perceive to be a problem. What have I expressed to you in very simple terms? What are the steps?

JEAN: You’ve taught us to acknowledge it.


JEAN: Which is important to acknowledge the energy and the issue, but then to turn your attention somewhere else, and that has been so difficult.

ELIAS: Ah, but you skipped -

JEAN: Wait a minute. So acknowledge…accept!

ELIAS: Acceptance is a part of acknowledgement. Acknowledgement is the action of defining and accepting, then you express. You acknowledge what it is for what it is. You accept it for what it is, whether it be a situation, an expression, an experience, a feeling. Regardless, whatever it is, it is first. Once you pay attention to it, you acknowledge it for what it is. Then you express that energy, for if you do not express it you cannot release it, you cannot let it go. And the third step is let it go, release it, but you can’t do that if you don’t express it. Therefore, acknowledge it; two, express it; three, release it, let it go; four, move your attention. (Pause)

Those are in very simple terms the steps. And most common, most frequent, most individuals do precisely what you just expressed. They notice - they do not actually entirely acknowledge - they notice, and then they skip to move their attention. “I broke my ankle; I noticed that.” They’re not entirely accepting it for what it is, and then they jump to “move my attention in a different direction.” And where do they generally move their attention in a different direction, or so they think is a different direction? In the direction of “why did I do that?”

That is not moving your attention; that is moving your attention back to the source. And the reason is that there was no expressing and there was no releasing.

If those two pieces are not engaged, you automatically loop back to the beginning, you loop back to the source, for you cannot let it go if you do not express that energy. You hold the energy, you do not let it go; you feel different, temporarily, and then it will express itself in some other direction, for it will be expressed eventually.

JEAN: Elias, in this situation with breaking the ankle, what would be an example of expressing and releasing? I mean, I know how one time you said that one of the reasons that babies cry and scream is that they’re releasing energy, but we’ve been taught as a society that that’s not appropriate. So…

ELIAS: I would agree that that is what you are taught. Does that mean that you agree with that?

JEAN: No, no. As I progress, no. And I’m -

ELIAS: Now; what I would express is that is an important question, for in a certain situation you might agree with it. In this, you using the example of the broken ankle, expressing might be to scream and to yell, and it might be to yell and to scream for a certain time framework, not merely an initial scream in relation to a pain, but a scream or a yelling in relation to that frustration or that anger that you are experiencing in addition to the physical pain.

In that, once you have allowed yourself to express that energy - it may be cursing, or it may be entirely different - once you have expressed that energy then you can release it, and the releasing occurs very quickly and automatically. The releasing of energy does not require you to be thinking about doing any specific action. It will occur automatically very quickly, and you will know it because you will feel it, and what you will feel first is deflated. You will feel all of that energy drain out of you, therefore you will feel deflated. Then what you will feel is the lack of a feeling. You will feel the lack of being bothered or concerned.

Therefore, you break your ankle, you express it and you very quickly release that energy. If you are actually doing it, the fact that you broke your ankle will not bother you. You will not be irritated. You will not be frustrated.

In that, let me express to you: an excellent example to any of you of this process generally occurs when any of you are engaging anything that is so frustrating or so uncomfortable or so difficult for you that you eventually reach a point in which you give up. And when you do that, all of that energy drains away, you stop fighting, and in that, you do feel that release. And generally speaking, when you move to that point in which you give up, that is generally the point in which you give yourself an answer, or you present to yourself a revelation. And the reason is that you finally gave up and stopped fighting, and when you do, you allow the answer to be presented. You allow yourself to see it. As long as you continue fighting, you don’t allow yourself to see the answer. It is not that it is not present, but you won’t see it, for you are too busy fighting.

Let me express to you: I have offered all of you several different directions, different expressions of how to be more satisfied, more comfortable, happy, how to address to difficulties; and regardless of what is expressed, the question remains of how to do it, and the reason is because you incorporate that piece of compartmentalizing, focusing in one direction: “This is the problem, give me a solution.”

The solution is all encompassing. The solution is the same, but that is very difficult for individuals to accept. Rather, you want an answer that addresses to that specific segment, and if does not come in the form that incorporates the words that are included about that specific problem, it is suspect. “I am asking you a question about what to do. My cat is sick with fever. I want to know what to do.” If the answer does not come in the form of do this for a fever, it is rejected. “I have difficulty with my boss at my job. We cannot see eye to eye, and he is continuously discounting me. If I remain at my job, what can I do to make my boss change? And if I do not remain at my job, what other job should I take?” “How do I proceed when my spouse is not objectively aware of this shift and does not want to know about or share any of the information that I am presenting to myself in my own growth? What can I do to make my spouse more receptive and to shift?”

If the answers are not couched in the context of what is perceived to be the problem in that segment, the individual or the people don’t listen, and their action of complaining and comparing and judging and expressing conflict are actually generating that proof. They want proof that paying attention differently will be successful. What I would express is they already give themselves proof daily that what they are paying attention to is not being successful.

JEAN: Wow. Elias, thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my dear friend.

JEAN: Ah, that’s just so powerful, and I’m definitely going to share this and I recognize that this - I knew somewhere I was skipping shells, and I didn’t realize it was in the expressing.

ELIAS: And that is the reason that I also offered that information to all of you about the opposite, -

JEAN: Yes.

ELIAS: - for that question about what you agree with is a valid question, for in any given time framework or situation you may intellectually express that you don’t agree with a particular expression or direction that you have learned, but you may also not be comfortable with expressing differently. And therefore, giving you an alternative which accomplishes the same, that is equally as effective, and expressing information about expressing the opposite, you are actually doing the same thing. You are releasing energy regardless, you are expressing energy regardless. It matters not how you do it, but even in that, it is a matter of actually looking to your own house and what are you paying attention to and what are you doing and what are you participating in and with.

If you are wanting to pay attention to what you want and what is comfortable and what is satisfying to them, why are you interacting with individuals that are expressing what is wrong?

JEAN: Woo hoo! Elias, I better cut this now because it’s going over time, not that I want to and - (Elias laughs) And, you know…

ELIAS: Very well.

JEAN: Just, oh my god, and that I know there’s so much subjectiveness that I need to process, and just from the bottom of my heart, thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my dear friend. I am tremendously encouraging of you, and you may express to your friend thank you.

JEAN: Oh, absolutely.

ELIAS: This I express tremendous encouragement and wondrous lovingness to you as always, in dear friendship, until our next meeting, au revoir.

JEAN: Au revoir.

(Elias departs after one hour and six minutes.)