Session 2225

Session 200703161 (#2225)
“Statistics and Focuses”
“Visualizing the Impression of a Focus”
“Waiting versus Allowing, Caring versus Concerning”
“Physical Manifestations and Payoffs”

Friday, March 16, 2007 (Private/In person)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Jim (Kia Jan)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

JIM: Well hello, how are you?

ELIAS: As always. And yourself?

JIM: I’m stoked. (Both laugh) I’ve got fifty million questions, as it usually is. The first one came—one of the other ones that’s here will be at the group session tomorrow but doesn’t have a separate session, wanted to get their essence and stats and all that stuff. Can you give me that? And it’s for Judy F.

ELIAS: And the impressions?

JIM: I don’t have a clue. She said she has a few of them. She has them written down, but she didn’t give them to me. I was on the way out and she says, “Well, you know I’d really like to ask but I don’t have…” and I go, “Well, I’ll ask.”

ELIAS: (Pause) Essence name: Timerod (TEEM-er-rod), T-I-M-E-R-O-D. Essence family: Sumari. Alignment: Tumold.

JIM: Oh. Got that right. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Orientation: common.

JIM: And focus type?

ELIAS: Emotional.

JIM: Emotional. Okay. That’ll get her going.

Okay. Now we can get to all my junk. (Elias chuckles) Aaaah! I’m going to run through… some of the stuff will just be pop, pop, pop and then we’ll get down to the real fun.

You’re probably aware that we’ve been dealing with Arkandin, and the group has just been going nuts. (Elias chuckles) Yah, yah. I had the impression that I had gained more focuses. He told me I’ve gone to 1,078. Is that correct?


JIM: Okay. (Laughs) Damn, what an increase. Am I a final focus? Some days I feel like it, and some days I don’t.


JIM: Okay. That’s good. Am I in transition?


JIM: Okay. How long? It really doesn’t make a lot of difference to me, but everybody goes, “Oh yeah!” Okay.

ELIAS: Approximately four years.

JIM: Ah! So, I did come close to checking out.

ELIAS: That would be a different subject.

JIM: Yeah. But that’s… that was when my wife left. Okay. Yeah, we’ll get to that too. (Laughs)

On a core truth, the only thing I get is responsibility. Is there anything like that?


JIM: Okay. Wow. And my purpose, the only thing I really feel that I have to do is just working with energy and using that.

ELIAS: (Pause) Define purpose.

JIM: What I should be doing, what my intent was.

ELIAS: Your intent is the theme of your focus, which is a general thing. All of your experiences, in a manner of speaking, stem from that in more specific directions. But viewing all of your experiences, all of your directions throughout your focus will allow you to evaluate what your intent is. This, what you are identifying, is what you have been doing for a time framework but not the entirety of your focus. Therefore, this would be a branch.

JIM: Okay. Okay. Okay, so there’s more to go find.

Okay, down – to further get the stats out of the way here – my animals, for myself and my essence. Do I give you my thoughts?

ELIAS: What is your question?

JIM: What are they?


JIM: Yeah.

ELIAS: Yes, your impressions?

JIM: I always felt for myself that it was a horse, like a mustang, a wild horse. It just resonated with me. And in the last six or eight months it’s been a feeling of eagle, but I’m getting the impression that that may be my essence animal.

ELIAS: Correct.

JIM: Ah! Right on both of them. Good.

And colors, my essence color. And I don’t have a clue on that. I have no idea at all.

ELIAS: And your impression as to your focus color?

JIM: I get it two different ways. Blues appeal to me—bright blues, Elias blue, turquoises, those colors appeal to me, but when I get colors like if I look in the mirror, if I’ve been quiet and meditating, whatever and I look in the mirror, it’s all yellow. So…

ELIAS: Let me clarify.

JIM: Okay.

ELIAS: What color you are attracted to may not correlate with what your focus color or your essence color is at all.

JIM: Yes. Right.

ELIAS: For what color you are attracted to is a preference.

JIM: Right.

ELIAS: And that changes. In one time period, you may be attracted to or incorporate a preference of a specific blue, and that may change to a different blue or that may change—

JIM: I did that a year ago. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Or it may change to a green or even a red, but the focus color and the essence color are associated with your energy.

JIM: Okay.

ELIAS: And that may not be a color that you are necessarily attracted to. I would express you are correct as the focus color being yellow.

JIM: Okay.

ELIAS: The essence color would be copper.

JIM: Oh. Okay.

The rest—for a quick run, can I get the number of focuses I share with people? And then I want to go to the list, all that we attracted from the group. Some of them I have numbers, and a lot of them I just don’t have a clue.

ELIAS: Very well.

JIM: Okay. Start with family. My wife? How many do I share with her?

ELIAS: (Pause) 84.

JIM: Okay. My daughter Terry?

ELIAS: (Pause) 71.

JIM: And my daughter Crystal?

ELIAS: (Pause) 114.

JIM: Aha! (Chuckles) Yeah. There is a lot of play there. My grand-daughter Corinne?

ELIAS: 106.

JIM: Wow. And my grandson Cory?

ELIAS: (Pause) 121.

JIM: Wow. Yeah, you said that I have a bunch of them with them all. My grandson Hunter?

ELIAS: (Pause) 97.

JIM: Okay. He’s a little imp. With my mother?

ELIAS: (Pause) 132.

JIM: Hm. And our friends Marisa and Steve? They’re basically family, but not.

ELIAS: (Pause) Respectively 87 and 89.

JIM: Okay. Okay, now we start focus hunting real quick. How many current focuses do I have? I’m aware of two besides me that you’ve confirmed, but how many altogether?


JIM: Okay. Any overlaps?


JIM: On those, I get… I call him the ponytail guy, and I got the name John that just popped in. Is he…?


JIM: He’s a current?


JIM: Okay. And I had one of a Mary, and I get Alabama and something associated with beans. And she seems to be dressed like '40s, in like a bright blue knit-type suit.

ELIAS: (Pause) Yes, you are correct. And there is a counterpart action.

JIM: Ah! And she’s… what’s the association with me?

ELIAS: Counterpart.

JIM: She’s counterpart. And the association with me? That’s one of my focuses?


JIM: Well! What’s the time frame on that? Is it like the '40s or something?


JIM: Aha! Wow. Okay. [Inaudible](Laughs) Melissa was telling me that I have a dragon focus, and when we were talking and she was telling this I kind of turned around and looked and saw my tail. Am I a red dragon?


JIM: Okay. And did she get the name right? She said Treecourt.

ELIAS: That would be a translation, but yes.

JIM: Okay. Wow. Do I have anything in the mermaid/merman thing?


JIM: I’ll go hunting for those. (Laughs) This is a riot. In the Egyptian, the prince where I share with you, you’re the Pharaoh and I’m a prince, I cannot come up with anything on a name. I get fourteen different ones, and none of them make sense and none of them seem to fit. The only thing that seems right is it starts with a T.


JIM: It does. I get Tahanoo, Tahanuk, Ta-something. (Laughs) You’re just going to let me stew on that one, aren’t you?


JIM: Okay. Question on that: That particular one was brought to my attention when I was really young and that my wife and stuff was there, but it doesn’t seem to bear importance to me. What is it that’s bringing that to the forefront now? Are there more people from that time frame that I’m associated with that are here now?

ELIAS: Yes, and that is generating a curiosity in relation to connections with other individuals, rather than an actual fascination with the focus itself.

JIM: Yeah. That’s…yeah, because it’s just—well yeah, okay, it’s another one. (Elias chuckles) I picked up two more from Egypt. One of them was…the impression, it’s like a field overseer. And when I saw him, he was out in the field and he’s supervising.

ELIAS: Yes. Correct.

JIM: What timeframe is that?

ELIAS: And your impression?

JIM: I don’t have a clue. I just get little pictures, little short snapshots and nothing.

ELIAS: Perhaps this would be an interesting exercise for you to incorporate—

JIM: Okay.

ELIAS: — to develop the information that you receive through your impressions. Not immediately following an impression, but a time framework somewhat later, allow yourself to recall the impression and quietly visualize that impression, and allow whatever information comes to you; do not dismiss it.

JIM: Right.

ELIAS: This practicing will allow you to become clearer in connecting with other focuses and the information that you are attracting to yourself, and will allow you to tap into more of it.

JIM: Okay. And then, when I was a slave, that was hilarious. (Laughs) Arkandin was talking about it [inaudible] you were a slave, because I couldn’t tell whether it was rape or whether it was a forced marriage was being consumed or what it was. “No,” he says, "it was a slave." And he says, “Yeah, and they paid good money for you, too.” (Laughs) That was hilarious.

In my Sumerian general, the city was… It’s translated as Glorious Oasis. Jan and Tracy have kind of picked up being there. Were there any others of the group [that] were in that same scenario?

ELIAS: All of you.

JIM: All of us! Then that’s a whole bunch now. That has gone nuts.

My little Polynesian man, and I was talking with him and I get a name of a bunch of vowels. The closest I can come is Uberoo. And I was talking with him and he says, “George.” And I said, “George? Now I’ve got all—” And he says, “You can’t pronounce it. It’s George.” (Both laugh) Can you give me the spelling on what it really is? (Both laugh) You liked that one. (Both laugh)


JIM: (Laughs) He’s right. I can’t pronounce it. (Both laugh)

Okay. Then Frederick Cornwallis. And this one came about weird, because Janet was one of the ones in the group, and she described how she saw me and then the rest of the group that she saw and what they were. And when I tuned in on it, I saw him as like a priest, like a Catholic priest, bishop, cardinal or something. And he was coming down from the altar. He was an old man, his shoulders were stooped and he was walking. And I heard "George III," but I assume that would have been the timeframe. And then I’m thinking bishop, archbishop, Archbishop of Canterbury. So then from that I went looking, tracking down who was in that time frame and came up with Frederick. He seemed the one that fit the best. That’s him? (Elias chuckles) Okay.

When we were talking this morning we had Melissa on the phone too, and she said that Marco was there and he was my adviser. She said he was the one that kind of beat me over the head with the information until it finally got through my thick head because I was kind of bullheaded over it. (Elias chuckles)

Okay. Do you have a name for Mark? Or are you going to make him find that? Because we just had that just before he came up here for his session. Okay. He’s going to have to go find his name.

Bridgy saw me as being connected to Kim Novak, but it seems like I was her lover rather than her.

ELIAS: That would be correct, as observing essence.

JIM: Okay. And so, it’s an OE. And yeah, well, since we get to go into OE's, am I OE to Cabeza de Vaca?


JIM: Okay. And Abdul Hamid I.


JIM: Okay. And in that one, it seems like Melissa and Dawn were daughters?

ELIAS: (Pause) Also observing.

JIM: Also OEs. Okay. And Tracy this morning said Sheila was also a daughter?


JIM: Okay. And then when we were going through that in meditation, in the battle rage, Bridgy died in the battle, and as she was saying that she was dying I got "son." Was Bridgy his son?


JIM: Okay. Well, she’ll have to go find that name.

We were doing a Dogen med, and I got a picture of a warrior and a wife and a child, and evidently I had them reversed because I thought I was the warrior, but evidently I was the wife. And Gina was the husband. And then our son is, the essence or whatever, is Marianne. I don’t know how that fits, if that’s an essence name or was she someone that this timeframe was current or what it is.

ELIAS: (Pause) That would be another essence, yes.

JIM: Okay. In my Russian focus, the one I committed suicide in, we were looking around the Romanovs, and it turns out that not only was I there as a headman, I was supposed to be on the firing squad that did away with the Romanovs.


JIM: And that was part of what kicked me over into the suicide besides all the other stuff that was going on.

Any others of my family who were in that timeframe there? Because I know my wife was there as my wife, but beyond that I didn’t pick anything up.


JIM: There are more?

ELIAS: Yes, but not necessarily related to—

JIM: Yeah, not as family.

ELIAS: Correct.

JIM: Yeah, because just about everybody in the meditation group is there.

Bridgy had a feeling that the two of us were prisoners of war in World War II, and what I got was the Philippines, and I got a picture of the building with concrete and stuff behind it, and both of us are female in that. Is that correct?


JIM: Okay. This one is… I couldn’t sleep one night and I was meditating, and this was just around the time we were doing all the stuff on the Dogens, and this large black man shows up in the meditation. And we kind of just merged and melded, and then he faded away. What was that?

ELIAS: And your impression?

JIM: I would assume it’s a focus of mine from somewhere. I don’t know.


JIM: It is?


JIM: Is that Zuli? Or is that a different one?

ELIAS: Different.

JIM: Different. So, I still have Zuli. Zuli isn’t the Dogen one, is it?

ELIAS: No. (Both laugh)

JIM: This one I…we were doing one of the meds, and in connecting, when we were like in warmup when we all kind of feel each other, I saw Tracy as kind of an Amazon and like burgundy stuff. We were talking about it this morning, and Melissa said she was a leader of a band of about seven or eight that protected this village somewhere. Is that so?


JIM: Okay. [Inaudible] And I saw Jan as a Druid. She was like in a robe or something. Does she have that?


JIM: Okay.

When we did our [inaudible] med, I saw a temple. As I was going through all this stuff I came out, and I was like in a square and it was a temple, but I got the impression that it was India and that I was a priest there. But I couldn’t tell whether it was current or past or what the timeframe was on that.

ELIAS: Past.

JIM: How past?

ELIAS: Several hundred years.

JIM: Okay. When I was coming back, as I was coming out of that there were three different people that showed up. One came around as Ahio, and I thought that was Bridgy. Was that from the Lightbringers timeframe? Was that her name when we were in the Lightbringers group?


JIM: Okay. There was an oriental priest in red silk robes. Was that Japanese?

ELIAS: (Pause) Yes.

JIM: Why was that particular thing coming through at that time? Is there something relevant to what’s going on now, or what?

ELIAS: That would also be a connection that you share with other individuals that you are interactive with now.

JIM: So that was another group focus where a bunch of us were together?


JIM: Ah. Okay. God, we’ve got a ton of these to find.

And then this one woman was walking up in front and I got the name Dooley, but I don’t know if that was from her then or someone I know now. Where does this connect? Because the only Dooley I know now is in [inaudible], and that’s a friend of my daughter’s.

ELIAS: That is the name of that focus.

JIM: The one that I’m seeing?


JIM: Okay. And she looked… it was like a '40s-type thing. Is that the timeframe, the way she was dressed?


JIM: So, I’ve got TWO women in the '40s. Yeah. From not being able to see women at all, now all of a sudden I’m getting a bunch of 'em. (Elias laughs)

Okay. Now we’re getting down to the nitty-gritty. Health issues: I’ve had two—they're basically minor, but they’re recurring for the last few weeks. One is heartburn, and one is a little nagging cough. And the heartburn I get is tied to Melissa, and the cough is tied to my wife Holly, but when I try to access these I think I’ve got everything cleared but evidently not, because they’re not going away. What’s hanging it up on this? What am I not seeing?

ELIAS: And when you express you think you have this cleared, define that.

JIM: Well, when I look… like you know I had the heartburn and I kind of talked to myself or to my body or whatever, you know, what’s causing this, and well, it’s here and that it comes from Melissa and then what’s this, and you know, what’s the problem? I seem to get the problems, but evidently I’m not getting far enough because it’s still there.

ELIAS: And what do you identify as what you term to be the problem?

JIM: I don’t know. That’s what I’m asking.

ELIAS: But you expressed to myself you examine this and you evaluate what the problem is. What have you assessed?

JIM: Oh. You would ask that (both laugh), because I didn’t write anything down and that…(Pause) Is it to kind of pay attention and not push so much to what I’m doing, or…? Because this is something I was going to get into, the last major thing that will take all the time. The connections and the way this has happened are just utterly amazing. I have never experienced anything like this. And it’s so strong, and I have problems getting beyond the strength of that emotion to actually feel what’s going on and understand it. I know what I feel is right now I want her right here in my arms, in my heart, and that’s all I want; I don’t care. But because it is so strong, the only way I can do that is if that’s what SHE wants. And she’s still in her defensive mode. And she’s coming… god, she’s made a lot of changes. A lot of that has opened since I made that wild trip down there. But there’s still a lot there to be… all I can do is wait. And I can just be here and wait and hope that whatever happens happens.

ELIAS: Two factors.

JIM: Okay.

ELIAS: One is that I am aware of the connections that you are generating between this individual and your partner.

JIM: Yeah.

ELIAS: And there are similarities.

JIM: Right. And there are differences.

ELIAS: And there are connections.

JIM: Yes.

ELIAS: But it is also important for you to pay attention and not to confuse the two.

JIM: Yeah.

ELIAS: To recognize the difference of the energies and to recognize that they are two separate expressions, first of all.

The second factor is addressing to waiting. This is a very commonly expressed action with many, many, many individuals. They deny themselves and they restrict themselves, and that is generated in association with not allowing themselves to express freely. And that is associated with waiting for the other individual to offer you some indication that gives you permission to express yourself.

JIM: Yeah. The feeling I’ve had through it is because of what she’s been through and how her emotions and feelings and the way she is. If I push too hard, it’s just going to push it away.

ELIAS: It is not a matter of pushing.

JIM: That’s a lot of my problem.

ELIAS: It is not a matter of pushing. It is a matter of allowing.

JIM: Okay.

ELIAS: And it is a matter of offering yourself permission to express yourself without expectation.

JIM: Yeah. That’s the hard part. It’s I know what I want, but I can’t just go get it. You see that’s—

ELIAS: Yes, you can.

JIM: How do I do that? That’s the trick. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Yes, you can. It is a matter of allowing your own freedom, trusting yourself and knowing that you can create this. Not waiting.

JIM: Okay. So I have to be proactive.

ELIAS: Waiting is an expression of lack.

JIM: Ah.

ELIAS: If you are waiting, you are waiting upon some element that you do not possess already.

JIM: Okay.

ELIAS: Therefore, that opens the door for anticipation, for disappointment, for creating what you do not want.

JIM: Right.

ELIAS: But if you are expressing your own confidence and not assuming personal responsibility for the other individual, you have not created the other individual’s choices and experiences. You are not responsible for the other individual’s choices and experiences. Therefore, you are also not responsible for the other individual’s expression now. This is not to say that you do not care.

JIM: Yeah.

ELIAS: There is a difference between caring and concerning.

JIM: Yeah.

ELIAS: Concerning moves you into personal responsibility.

JIM: Yeah, that’s a lot of things I have to get away from. I can’t do others, I can’t fix others, I just have to be me.

ELIAS: Correct.

JIM: Yeah.

ELIAS: And allow yourself your genuine expression. And if you are doing that, it is not necessary to push. If you are freely offering without expectations of the other individual, there is no necessity for pushing.

JIM: Yeah.

ELIAS: For the point is that you want to express you. You want to express your affection, your compassion, your love, your understanding.

JIM: Right. The other morning we had that little discussion on the chat line and stuff, and a lot of the things that I wanted to say when I was in Florida and couldn’t because it just terrified her and scared her away. I made the initial opening, which is what I understood had to be done, and from there it was just let things happen. And all the things that I wanted to say then finally got said that morning. So now it’s a case of… she really knows—she knew all along. She’s very open and she just sees that stuff, you know. But she wasn’t allowing. It was a lot of the same things I have, you know, you just can’t get there. But from my perception, it’s changing, and it—

ELIAS: Which is not a coincidence.

JIM: That we’re both alike like that?

ELIAS: That you have drawn yourselves to each other, for this is a reflection.

JIM: Yeah.

ELIAS: And an example of how you very precisely draw yourself to any other individual in any moment, for they do reflect you quite precisely in that moment and in whatever you are engaging.

This is the efficiency of your reality, for you may incorporate a desire to widen your awareness and to be generating more openness and therefore allowing yourself more freedom,--

JIM: Yeah.

ELIAS: --but you may not necessarily clearly view the manner in which to do that. Or, you may not clearly view elements within yourself that may be generating obstacles.

JIM: Yeah.

ELIAS: In this, you precisely draw yourself to another individual that WILL reflect those elements within you, and therefore now you can address to those factors, and you can accomplish that widening and that expansion of openness and accomplish that freedom.

And in doing so, you also generate a contribution to the other individual, for they are also drawing you precisely as a reflection in association with their desire. Your desire may be—

JIM: The two of us have very similar desires.


JIM: But it’s working through them to get to where they get accomplished.

ELIAS: And this is matter of genuinely paying attention to what you are doing and noticing when you are creating hesitations, identifying what the motivation is for those hesitations and identifying whether that motivation is actually centered in now, or whether it is centered in some past experience or some anticipation of a future experience.

JIM: More time in meditation. (Both laugh) Oh—damn, there's so much. (Elias laughs)

How many focuses do I share with her? It’s either a lot, or there’s a few very intense ones. I can’t figure out which. Maybe both.

ELIAS: (Pause) 217.

JIM: Oh shit. (Laughs) Ooooh. And how many are either serious, intimate or really close?

ELIAS: Most of them.

JIM: No wonder it’s so hard. (Both laugh) Oh, wow. Damn. I knew it was deep, but that is…

Okay. [Inaudible] What about the [inaudible]?

ELIAS: They are interconnected, for you have identified that they are associated with the energy of two individuals, but you are not actually viewing what those associations are.

JIM: Okay. I just—

ELIAS: HOW you associate with—

JIM: I know it’s coming from this, and I just don’t quite understand where I’m missing, and I’m looking and it’s just… it’s kind of like…

ELIAS: It is a matter of genuinely evaluating what your association is with each individual, and how your experiences now trigger certain associations with each individual.

JIM: One of the things I got was that we’ve been husband and wife many, many, many times, and one of those, she left early in childbirth. And the emotions at that time were very strong, and I was devastated. She was gone and I was there, but… and some of that is coming into play right now, and a lot of those feelings are coming from that.

Okay. Damn, I’m getting good. (Both laugh)

And the last one: my arthritis. In meds, god it’s been maybe two years ago I was trying to figure what’s causing this, why this is hanging on, what it’s pointing me to. And I couldn’t get anything, but what I did get was that you need this disease, it’s there for a reason or whatever and… What is this pointing to? What should I be looking at to try and figure this out?

ELIAS: Individuals many times create physical manifestations, for they provide a payoff.

Now; in recognition of that, in this present moment what would you assess would be a payoff for you to be creating this type of physical manifestation?

JIM: It slows me down and makes me aware of more things.

ELIAS: Correct…

JIM: More beyond that? Ah, damn. (Laughs) Oh, god. (Pause) Nothing immediately. It’s just kind of [inaudible].

ELIAS: Remember: energy will always be expressed.

JIM: Yes.

ELIAS: If you are not allowing energy in one direction, it will seek another.

JIM: So my not allowing is causing this also.


JIM: THAT’S why I need it.

ELIAS: It is a shield.

JIM: Ah! Yeah, because when I first experienced it I was in my early twenties, and they told me I'd be in a wheelchair in a couple years, and I made fools out of them, but I had an incident where I healed my legs, which was the primary problem at that time. Of course, when I did it I didn’t know what I was doing, I just "Oh yeah," and something opened and it was done, and it’s never been a problem. But the rest of it, I’m looking at it saying I can do that, why can’t I do this? Okay. So, that’s… okay.

ELIAS: You can do one, and why can you not do the other?

JIM: Exactly.

ELIAS: This is a very common question, and the reason is, is that at times you genuinely move into an energy in which you incorporate no doubt, no question, and you know that you can.

JIM: Exactly.

ELIAS: And you do. But it is also a matter of importance. In some expressions, it becomes very important. Whatever is important to you, you pay strong attention to.

JIM: Yeah.

ELIAS: And you focus more clearly. In this, you can alter the manifestation in one area, for it is important to you that you are not allowing yourself to immobilize yourself, therefore you allow your mobility, but you do not alter the manifestation in other areas, for it continues to incorporate the payoff, in which you can generate that as a shield to create an element of distance. Not entirely, but an element of that, and not entirely expose.

(Jim calls Tracy to remind her that she has the next session.)

JIM: Thank you. Ah. Okay, we’ve got time. One last list here I’ve got, and a lot of this, we were thinking we’d do in a group session, but I made… where are you? I have notes and notes and notes and notes. Ah, there we are. Here, found the list. We’ll go back to some quick focus hunting, and I’ll fill up the last couple of minutes.

On the group that—our med group—god, there’s a whole bunch of them now – how many focuses do I share with each? And I’ll just run down the list and…

With Arkandin, do I share any with him?

ELIAS: 28.

JIM: Okay. Do I have 43 with Vickie?


JIM: I have 20 and 26 for Viv, and I don’t know which or what.

ELIAS: 26.

JIM: Okay. Cardiff. I have no numbers.

ELIAS: 20.

JIM: And Curtis?

ELIAS: 31.

JIM: And Dawn. I think it’s 89 or somewhere around there?

ELIAS: 82.

JIM: 82. Elena. I’ve just met her, and I don’t have a clue.

ELIAS: 39.

JIM: And Francie?

ELIAS: 44.

JIM: And Gina?

ELIAS: 26.

JIM: And Jan? [Inaudible]

ELIAS: 68.

JIM: And Janet? [Inaudible]

ELIAS: 51.

JIM: Okay. And Judy F.?

ELIAS: 49.

JIM: Okay. And Mark D.?

ELIAS: 37.

JIM: I missed by one. (Both laugh) As soon as I said that, I thought 36.

Seventeen with Margot? And also 17 with Robot Man. Do the three of us come as a group that way, or are they separate?

ELIAS: There is a connection.

JIM: Okay. Marta?

ELIAS: 26.

JIM: And Melissa, we just blew that out of the way. Sharon/Camden. How many do I share with her?

ELIAS: 59.

JIM: That’s interesting. And Sheila?

ELIAS: 40.

JIM: And then 84 for Tracy?


JIM: Okay. That’s it. We’ve done the numbers thing.

I have a question, and I’ve got two minutes left here. We can just be very… have a chat, shoot the breeze.

When you first showed up, came into my meds and stuff, when I opened up in that, and there was like a period very intensely where you were there almost constantly, and then you slowly receded back out of the way a little bit. And I kind of get the feeling it’s like a parent teaching a child, that you come in, you just, "Go," and "Here," and then, “Okay, now you’re gettin' going," and then you just kind of step back and, “Yeah, okay, you can do it now.” (Elias chuckles) Is that correct?

ELIAS: That would be somewhat accurate. (Both laugh)

JIM: It’s like I know if I stop and ask, you’re always there, but it seems like you really don’t want to be asked. You want me to get out there and do it myself.

ELIAS: That would be accurate. It is not that I do not wish to or want to be inquired of, but I am greatly encouraging of each of you to generate your own discovery.

JIM: Exactly.

ELIAS: For that is the point, that you be the director.

JIM: Okay. The other thing, too, in the group everybody has, they’re like on this focus-hunting manhunt. And to me it’s kind of, yeah, you know, it’s okay. I see where all the connections and things like this, but it’s not important. It’s like what particular focuses are influencing now, that’s what interests me. I’m not interested in how many gazillion I have or what I’ve done or who's famous or whoever, but what is happening now and how does this relate to these ones that I’m accessing and what cross-connection's here.

Oh, I know what we missed. My Magi man—how did we skip him? Because we went to the Polynesians. We did a med, and it was in Australia. It was supposed to be around aborigines, but I saw my Magi man as coming there. And he was much less formal. When I had seen him originally, he was very formal. This, he was more casual, and it was like he was there looking for some people who had been lost, and he didn’t find them and went back. Is that correct?


JIM: What’s the time frame on that?

ELIAS: Your impression?

JIM: Early Egyptian. I don’t know how early, but early Egyptian, somewhere in there.

ELIAS: I would agree.

JIM: Wow. (Both laugh) You're bad. Okay.

ELIAS: I would encourage you to continue and to generate that exercise.

JIM: The only name I got on that is Malachi, and that just…to me, that seems forced. It just doesn’t feel right.


JIM: Yeah. So, there’s something else.

I think I’ve got a minute! (Laughs)

Oh, here’s some of the notes from the group session. In our Lightbringers group, was Janet in that? In that particular time frame?


JIM: And Margot? What about Mark D.? [Inaudible] Holy shit. Dawn?


JIM: Hm. Is anybody not there? (Laughs) Ah, well. That is just about all the time we’ve got, and Tracy’s out there panting so… (Laughs) We’ll let it go from there.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend. (Chuckles) I shall be anticipating our continued interaction, and I shall be offering an encouraging energy to you in your practicing.

JIM: That’s something I’ve been trying to pick up in, because in one of the recent things that came out, you were talking about how you really want things like this. And I’m thinking hm, cool, this is a tool here that I haven’t been using. Maybe I should go pick up on it.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) I am always present, and I am always available. (Both laugh)

JIM: Yeah. (Laughs) And you’re always a little imp. (Laughs)

ELIAS: That, too. (Both laugh) I express great appreciation to you and great affection. In dear friendship and lovingness, au revoir.

JIM: Au revoir to you, too.

(Elias departs after 57 minutes)