Session 460


“Actions of Disengagement”
“The True Identification of Worth”
“Twitches and Rashes and Bellies, Oh My!”

Saturday, August 28, 1999 © 2000 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael) and Rodney (Zacharie).
Elias arrives at 1:37 PM. (Arrival time is 17 seconds)

ELIAS:  Good afternoon!

RODNEY:  Good afternoon, Elias! (Elias chuckles)  How are you?

ELIAS:  As always!

RODNEY:  This is good!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha!

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  I’ve just had a delightful half-hour of laughing and talking with Mary ... Michael!  I’m in a very good mood!

ELIAS:  Ah, and this shall be productive! (Laughing)

RODNEY:  Yes!  I’ve spent too many years not being productive — too serious!  I hung a sign on my refrigerator door.  It says, “Why take life so seriously?  It isn’t permanent.”  We got a kick out of that! (Elias laughs)  I got another one which I know you’ll like.  It says, “If it’s not fun, why do it?” (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Precisely!

RODNEY:  Yes! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)

I’m sure you would like me to ask a question.

ELIAS:  If you are so choosing, or you may continue with your jokes! (Rodney cracks up, and Elias chuckles)

RODNEY:  We were laughing at ... it seems that some people are getting the orientations confused with elements of choice, like in homosexuality, and so we were laughing at some ripe old jokes! (Elias chuckles)  We do get so caught up in these judgments of what’s right and wrong, and that’s one area where I feel I’ve made some real progress over the years — being able to accept just about anybody’s sexual preferences, and find them not only acceptable, but amusing!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

RODNEY:  You know, talking about acceptance, I’ve tried some of the ... I forget what you call the exercise, but it’s where one attempts to merge with an idea or a concept, and I did spend some time on that way back, and the concept that I chose to merge with as best I could was the concept of acceptance, and one of the things that came up for me in that was, I believe that in my upbringing and my striving to be successful, etcetera, that I picked up the idea that in order to have self-approval or self-acceptance, I had to do something to get it.

In my meditation on this concept, it seemed to me that a really true appreciation of one’s own value, if it’s connected TO something, like I’m valuable because I did something, that seems to lessen it a bit.  I feel that if I can have a sense of my own value simply because I like myself or simply because I have that sense of value, where it’s not connected to something outside of myself, like I got a degree or I did a painting that everybody likes or I solved a math problem, it seems that developing a sense of acceptance without having connected it to any other thing is more powerful.  I wanted to say that to you and ask you to comment on that.

ELIAS:  Very well.  I shall express to you that you are correct in that within your officially accepted mass belief systems, individuals DO look outside of self and associate a “thing,” in a manner of speaking, with their acceptance of self and their worth, for you measure your worth by your experiences, by your expressions, by your accomplishments, by your productivity, and by the measurement of other individuals’ expressions and other individuals’ assessments and perceptions of you, but these are all elements outside of self.

We have been addressing to this very subject of late with many individuals, for this is the reverse of what we are speaking of in acceptance of self.

Not even yourself may measure your individual worth, for your method of measurement is gauged by your accomplishments and by your experiences and by your perception of yourself, and this may be quite distorted in some areas in that it is quite influenced by your belief systems.  Therefore, it may not be accurate.

But in turning your attention to self and in the trust and acceptance of self, you offer yourself the glimpse of the true identification — not measurement, but identification — of your worth and your value, and this merely reinforces your ability objectively to be accepting of self.

Therefore, I shall express to you that in your evaluation that you have presented, you are correct — it is not the measure of what you do or what you create or your experiences that offer to you the identification of your value, and....

RODNEY:  My sense is that it is almost completely outside the range of description.  In other words, it’s really in the area of simply sensing your own being and the quality of it.

ELIAS:  Correct, and the appreciation of what you ARE, and as you have stated, your very being....

RODNEY:  Right.  Well, I thank you for that.  I did write down a whole lot of questions! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)

The last time we talked, we talked about recognizing individuals whom I’ve held other focuses with, and we spoke of the time in Greece in the sixth century B.C.  I was a teacher?

ELIAS:  Correct.

RODNEY:  And you implied, directly or indirectly, that the group of individuals that I have a men’s group with could very well have shared that life with me, their essences, and I’d like to go over that.  I’ve sat and looked at my interactions with some of these people recently and going back even further, and it’s amazing that one of them actually used a description of a city in Greece to describe something to me the other day, and another one spent many years of his youth in and around Greece and Turkey, and I’ve just got the feeling that there’s about six of these men who seem to ... if I were to imagine them in that time and that era and that place, it really feels like it fits to me, and I’d like to go over their names with you.  I’ll give you their initials.  Would that be sufficient?

ELIAS:  You are wishing for essence names or physical focus names?

RODNEY:  Well, I would love to know what their essence names are.

ELIAS:  Very well.

RODNEY:  I’d also like to know whether or not I actually ... whether I’m correct in presuming that yes, I did have a connection with them in that life, in that focus.

ELIAS:  Very well.

RODNEY:  The first one, his initials are A.W., and he could very well have been an aristocrat in that era.  Was he one of them?

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

RODNEY:  What would his essence name be? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Memore; M-E-M-O-R-E. (ma-more’)

RODNEY:  Thank you very much.  What family would he be with? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Essence family, Vold; alignment, Zuli.

RODNEY:  Zuli.  They’re the ones who are very athletic, aren’t they?

ELIAS:  Generally speaking, yes.

RODNEY:  That’s him!  The second one, his initials are P.S., and he visited those areas for years when he was a young man and loved it.

ELIAS:  You are correct.

RODNEY:  What would his essence name be? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Essence name, Aidra; A-I-D-R-A. (ae’dra)

RODNEY:  Aidra.  And his family?

ELIAS:  Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Gramada.

RODNEY:  Gramada.  This is so helpful to me!  There is another one with the initials T.C.  I don’t know the kind of togas they wore in those days, but I just see him in one.  Am I correct on that?

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

RODNEY:  I am correct.  These were my personal friends?

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

RODNEY:  His name? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Essence name Genna; G-E-N-N-A. (jen’na)

RODNEY:  And his family?

ELIAS:  Essence family, Sumafi; alignment Sumari.

RODNEY:  Sumari?

ELIAS:  Correct.

RODNEY:  Hmm!  The next one has the initials R.S., and he seems so comfortable in an aristocratic setting.  I just see him there also.

ELIAS:  I express to you, you are correct, and I shall also offer to you that all of these individuals held that position within the caste system.

RODNEY:  Aristocrat?

ELIAS:  Correct.

RODNEY:  I was not an aristocrat, was I ... or was I?

ELIAS:  Within your family lineage, yes.  Within your choice of your experience in that particular focus and the direction that you engaged within that focus, not necessarily.

RODNEY:  You say my essence family has experienced aristocratic?

ELIAS:  No.  Your physical family ...

RODNEY:  Oh, the physical family!

ELIAS:  ... in that focus held this lineage.

RODNEY:  Oh, held the lineage!

ELIAS:  Correct.

RODNEY:  I see.  Alright, that makes sense.  There’s two who were in my group for a while, and I feel that both of them may have been in that life as well.  One is P.N. and the other one is N.N. (Pause)

ELIAS:  You are correct.

RODNEY:  Could you give me the name ... excuse me; the name for R.S.

ELIAS:  Deus; D-E-U-S. (day’us)

RODNEY:  Deus?

ELIAS:  Correct.

RODNEY:  And his family?

ELIAS:  Essence family, Tumold; alignment, Milumet.

RODNEY:  Really!  Thank you.  The one with the initials P.N.

ELIAS:  Essence name, Poldae; P-O-L-D-A-E. (pol-day’)

RODNEY:  Poldae.  And his family?

ELIAS:  Essence family, Borledim; alignment, Vold.

RODNEY:  Thank you.  The last one here would be N.N. (Pause)

ELIAS:  Essence name, Shinoe; S-H-I-N-O-E. (shee-no’)

RODNEY:  Shinoe.  Essence family?

ELIAS:  Essence family, Zuli; alignment, Ilda.

RODNEY:  Ilda.  Are Ilda the healers?

ELIAS:  No.

Individuals aligning with and also belonging to this essence family of Ilda may be identified as exchangers, communicators; individuals that offer differences within different groups of individuals; offerers of diversity within their expression, within the expression of other individuals, and the exchange of ideas and expressions between different individuals and different cultures.

RODNEY:  This individual is introducing, in a fairly successful way ... he’s a doctor.  He’s an orthodox doctor, and he’s introducing alternative methods of healing, or what have been called alternative methods of healing, into some very conservative medical cultures.

ELIAS:  Quite, and this engages both of these family intents, as the one holds the focus upon the physical body, and the other is the introduction and exchange of differences.

RODNEY:  Absolutely!  It fits him to a T.

I have a sense ... I’m going to give you four more initials.  These individuals I feel were not part of that focus, but the first one is D.G., the second one is J.R., the third one is R.N., and the last one is V.R.

ELIAS:  This individual that you identify as R.N occupies a focus within that particular time framework and location also, but is not interactive with all of you within your group.

RODNEY:  He was alive at that time, but I did not know him?

ELIAS:  Correct.

RODNEY:  Very good, and none of the others were present there?

ELIAS:  Correct.

RODNEY:  I thank you very much for that.  This is really going to help me understand the significances of these names and families ‘cause I know these people rather well.

An individual that I know who is a leader in an institute interested in spirituality and metaphysics died about a week ago, and I had actually studied such things as tarot and psychic abilities, and we would meet and we would practice getting unofficial information, and I did this with him on a regular basis for over a year-and-a-half.

When he passed away, I became very emotional, more so than I would have thought I would, and I found that I could contain my emotions, but if I went to say something, it was almost all I could do not to simply break down into tears.  Have I ever related to this individual in any other focus before?

ELIAS:  Yes.  This individual occupies another focus with you in which he also created the role of a teacher in relation to yourself, and in that particular focus, you held interaction for many years in your linear time framework, and you held great respect and affinity for this individual, and in the disengagement of this individual within this focus, it has triggered an underlying remembrance of the energy of that focus and your knowing of your interconnectedness.

The reason that you have expressed this distress or this sorrow in connection with the disengagement of this individual is that in this triggering of the remembrance, there is also a remembrance underlying of emotional qualities that have been expressed previously in that focus and the remembrance of these feelings and the re-experiencing of those feelings presently, and also the recognition underlyingly that the reason you are experiencing these feelings, these emotional qualities of expressions, is quite influenced by your beliefs, which also enhances the experience of the emotional expression, for there are two actions occurring simultaneously.

One is the action of an emotional expression which is created springing from an element of physical separation.  The other is the recognition that this is attached specifically to an aspect of beliefs and therefore is unnecessary, but that it is objectively an expressed reality.

Therefore, in this, you also create a frustration in the lack of allowance to be moving beyond the veil within your objective awareness, to be interactive or continuing interaction with this individual, but [holding] the awareness that within physical focus, this IS what you create, and therefore, there is a reinforcement of an element of sorrow within your emotional qualities — that knowing it is unnecessary but creating otherwise within your objective expression may be two different matters.

RODNEY:  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are very welcome.

RODNEY:  I become overwhelmed with emotion soon after I heard this news, and I became extremely aware ... he had a great deal to do with the formation and the growth and the success of the institute that he taught in, and I became amazed at how much I could feel his energy in the building after he passed.  I understand that in transition, individuals are pretty preoccupied with the aspect of transition that they’re going through, but if I understand you correctly, if they have created an energy deposit — I think that’s what you referred to — that energy would be available for individuals associated with this institute and with him, would it not?

ELIAS:  You are correct.

RODNEY:  And that energy would ... when we talk about energy here, we’re talking about a conscious communication, aren’t we?

ELIAS:  All communications are conscious!  You are speaking in objective terms, and to this I shall respond that there is an objective recognition in the expression of these energy deposits, although I may also express to you that some individuals may allow themselves to be more aware or more sensitive to these energy deposits than other individuals.

RODNEY:  I am not typically that sensitive, but on this particular occasion ... would you wait a second until I change the tape?

ELIAS:  Very well. (Pause)

RODNEY:  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are welcome.

RODNEY:  On this particular occasion, I had to get up and leave the room, and I walked into another part of the building, and it was almost as though he were there.  I just could not ... it was so strong, and I don’t know if I’ve ever felt that before.

Another strange thing: at his wake, at the viewing, when I approached his body in the coffin, I had ... you know, my rational mind says I’m playing tricks on myself, but I saw a hand that almost moved into a handshake, and I almost saw a wink out of the corner of my eyes.  Now, would you reflect on that kind of energy for me for a moment?

ELIAS:  Yes.  Now; let me explain to you that these types of experiences are in actuality more common than you realize.  It is merely that individuals do not outwardly express of these types of experiences with each other for fear that they may be viewed to be experiencing lunacy.  Therefore, they are not offering objective verbal communication as to the identification of their experiences.

But this particular type of experience occurs more frequently than you realize, and the explanation of this type of occurrence is not that you are being the trickster with yourself or that you are imagining these elements to be occurring, in what you identify as imagination....

RODNEY:  Yes!  You know, I refuse to believe that it’s imagination.  There needs to be something else there.

ELIAS:  For it is not imagination!  There is an actual occurrence.  Your physical vision is not playing tricks upon you, and you are not experiencing some delusional quality within your focus!  What is occurring is an actual expression of energy that that particular individual focus is offering.

Now; let me also explain to you that contrary to your ideas and your beliefs, there are many different manners in which individuals choose to be disengaging, and there are many different expressions of movement in conjunction with disengaging physical focus.  It is not an automatic “slingshot effect” from physical focus into nonphysical transition.

I shall express to you that within the creation of some individuals, they may be choosing to move immediately into the action of transition upon their disengagement within physical focus.  Other individuals do not choose to be creating that type of a movement.  Some individuals allow themselves a time framework of continuing to be creating physical imagery, which I have offered explanations of recently and likened this type of imagery to holograms — as I have with you also — and in this, they may be quite occupied in their attention with their own creation and not offering attention to individuals within the physical focus that they have disengaged.

But these are not the only movements that individuals choose to be creating upon the choice to be disengaging physical focus.

At times, some focuses choose to continue with their attention disengaged from their physical body consciousness, but not necessarily creating the movement into new areas of objective imagery in the manner of holograms, figuratively speaking, but may continue for a brief temporary time framework holding their awareness in conjunction with the physical focus that they have disengaged.

Many times in this type of expression, the individual focus has chosen this action in curiosity.  They wish to view the physical occurrences that shall be created immediately following their disengagement.  Therefore, they may continue to hold their consciousness and their awareness in Regional Area 1, this physical reality, temporarily.

Now; I shall express to you that this particular type of action, generally speaking, shall not be engaged by the focus for a time framework, in your linear terms, of more than two weeks time period.  Generally speaking, they would be engaging this action for less time framework than this expression of two weeks.

But I may also express to you that some focuses may choose to be disengaging and they may be engaging the activity of creating physical objective imagery in the form of these holograms, so to speak, and they may also be turning their attention to Regional Area 1 and the actual physical occurrences that are being created subsequent to their disengagement, and they move back and forth, in a manner of speaking, between these two experiences and these two creations.

Therefore, in this experience that you have encountered, you have in actuality allowed yourself to view objectively an interaction which has in reality occurred between yourself and this individual of that particular focus.  Although the focus has disengaged, this particular individual has chosen temporarily to be continuing their attention viewing the physical occurrences within Regional Area 1, your physical dimension, in an expression of curiosity and fascination.

Therefore, there is also a responsiveness offered, but the key in this situation is that you have offered yourself the allowance within your objective awareness to be open to that expression, and therefore you also allow yourself to view the impossible — that this individual that you view to be dead has moved and has winked at you!

RODNEY:  Right! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  But this individual is not dead!  This individual has merely disengaged physical focus, but continues in curiosity to hold the energy in viewing the events that surround this disengagement within your linear time framework before moving into other expressions and creations within nonphysical areas.

I shall also express to you that this be the reason that you have experienced an intensity of energy more so than other individuals may be expressing objectively, for in this time framework, within your movement and within your allowance of your awareness, you have allowed yourself an opening within your objective perception and widening of your awareness to be connecting objectively with the energy presence of that individual, and it is experienced or felt in more of an intensity — to almost an overwhelming capacity — for the reason that the individual continues to hold the objective awareness and attention in viewing this physical focus.  Therefore, the consciousness continues to reside within this area of consciousness temporarily.

Now, I shall also express to you that this particular individual has turned the attention and is not participating any longer in viewing the physical activities which are occurring within Regional Area 1....

RODNEY:  You’re saying that he has shifted his attention?

ELIAS:  Correct — now — and is moving within the area of creating physical imagery that he is experimenting with and playing with in his creations and manifestations presently, not fully engaging the action of transition yet.

RODNEY:  Hmm.  Elias, your commentary is so appreciated.  I thank you so much for this!

ELIAS:  You are very welcome, my friend.

RODNEY:  Just as an aside, there is a woman whose name is Elaine, and she shared with me ... I believe she said she had seen a black bat in her house, and it kind of just disappeared.  She didn’t know where it went to.  She was also very fond of this man, I believe, and when she showed up for the service on Sunday, she saw a white bat in the sanctuary.  Of course, she was the only one who saw it, and from your comments, I would assume she was having a similar experience to mine.

ELIAS:  You are correct.

RODNEY:  Hmm.  Thank you again.

ELIAS:  You are very welcome.

RODNEY:  I’d like to trade places with you for a while! (Cracking up)

ELIAS:  HA HA!

RODNEY:  I envy your ability to see!

ELIAS:  Ah, but you hold this same ability!

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  I’m not quite as in touch with it as you are, though! (Elias chuckles)  At least not in here.

ELIAS:  But you are moving in this direction.

RODNEY:  I feel that — I feel that!  I have a couple of almost silly questions, but I’d like to ask them anyway.  I get a twitching in my lower lip on the right side, kind of centered, and my mind tells me that it’s from drinking too much coffee or whatever.  What I wanted to ask you about is, is there possibly another explanation for that?

ELIAS:  Quite!  I express to you that this is not a responsiveness to your consumption of coffee or caffeine, but this is your creation to yourself in engaging your attention, bringing to your attention the vehicle that offers your verbal communication, and in this allowing you to be aware of your communications with other individuals in what you are expressing to them, and your individual motivation in your expression and your communications, and that you may be offering to yourself an examination of this at times — not always, but at times — for at times you are offering information to other individuals with the motivation not merely that you may be helpful, but that you hold a more efficient and better method in information than do they, and therefore it shall be helpful to them if they are agreeing to be creating their reality in like manner to your choices.

This twitching is an offering to yourself to be aware of your communication and how and why it is being expressed in the manner that it may be offered at times.

RODNEY:  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.

RODNEY:  Thank you.  Is there any particular reason why individuals approaching their sixties or seventies — men in particular — tend to put on weight around their midriff?

ELIAS:  This is quite in conjunction with mass belief systems.  It is unnecessary and not all individuals choose to be creating of that physical expression, but in conjunction with belief systems, many individuals ARE creating of this type of expression.  You may be examining the belief system — in conjunction with this wave occurring in consciousness presently — of sexuality, which also addresses to aspects of how you view yourself, your physical body; how you are creating of your physical expression and how you are viewed by other individuals; what may be deemed as attractive, what may be deemed as unattractive; what may be deemed as COMFORTABLE and what may be viewed as a more tense expression.  In this particular....

RODNEY:  What was that word?  A more what expression?

ELIAS:  Tense.

In this particular creation, individuals view that within younger years, in your linear time framework, their expression of virility and masculinity holds greater importance, and therefore they hold their physical form more tensely, but as they become more comfortable and do not feel the need any longer to be expressing of their identification of masculinity in such extremes, they relax their tension which is held within their physical form.

In this, experiment with myself presently.  Breathe in your breath within your chest quite intensely and swiftly. (Elias demonstrates, and Rodney inhales)  And what is the physical action which occurs?  The weight within your physical body form shifts upwardly.

RODNEY:  Yes, it does.

ELIAS:  And holds in tension, does it not?

RODNEY:  Yes, it does.

ELIAS:  Now exhale this breath quickly, and relax. (Rodney exhales)  And what do you experience?  A shifting of your physical weight to your midsection?

RODNEY:  That is correct.

ELIAS:  And in this, you identify your physical body form as relaxing and not holding this tension.

RODNEY:  Correct.

ELIAS:  In like manner, your belief systems move you in the direction of physical perception, that as you are not holding to a specific image that you wish to be projecting outwardly, you also do not hold this tension.  In this expression, you allow the relaxation of your physical body form, which is not to say that it automatically moves to this midsection of your torso and rests there, but that this is your physical identification and imagery of that action.  Therefore, within your belief systems, as you relax your tension of projection of energy in this expression of masculinity, you also relax this physical form in its creation, and you create an extra layer, so to speak, within your midriff.  This is entirely unnecessary, but it is quite commonly a reality expressed within the reality of physical focus and advancement of age.  Ha ha ha!

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  Well, if I’ve understood the sum of what you’ve said to me ... to proceed first with an acceptance of these beliefs — and they all make a lot of sense to me — and then to move beyond that to a choice of how I would like to appear.

ELIAS:  Ah, but in this, you continue with a judgment.  As you move into the acceptance, you move into the genuine expression of it matters not, and in that expression, you may be creating of any particular form that you are so choosing, and it matters not!

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  Thank you, Elias!

ELIAS:  HA HA!  You are quite welcome!

RODNEY:  Listen, I have one other little situation here which has been a pain in the neck for years.  In the summertime, I seem to develop a rash in my groin area, and it’s just ... it’s not the end of the world.  It’s just a little bothersome.  But it seems to me that I recall someplace that sometimes, something like a rash is a physical expression of the fact that something is coming out of us, that perhaps we are relinquishing something or discarding something.

ELIAS:  Not necessarily!  Ha ha ha!

RODNEY:  Okay, talk to me! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  I express to you that this also is a common creation within many individuals, male and female, and within certain time frameworks of certain seasons, it is more commonly created than within other seasons.

I shall express to you, in this particular type of creation, you and many other individuals consistently create this expression in the season of your year that creates the most amount of heat, and the reason that you create this is also directly in conjunction with belief systems of sexuality.

This offers you a quite convenient, easy, outward, objective physical expression to be allowing yourself to not be engaging as frequently other individuals in your expressions of sexuality as you may choose to be in other time frameworks of other seasons of your year.

You physically respond to your weather patterns.  You in actuality are creating your weather patterns in response to yourselves, but you BELIEVE that you are responsive to your weather patterns.  You also believe that heat creates more of a lethargy within you and lessens your motivation in certain areas, and therefore, at times you wish not to be bothered with physical engagement of other individuals.  Therefore, you create a convenient physical manifestation that offers you a reasonable excuse not to be engaging with other individuals.  You do not always hold to this excuse, but if you are choosing to engage it, the opportunity has presented itself, and you may be engaging it if you are wishing.  It is quite convenient!

RODNEY:  Yes, it is!

ELIAS:  And creative!  HA HA!

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  Okay, I hear you!  Of course, the term “excuse” implies that if one were to go about accomplishing the same thing in a more conscious manner, i.e. exercising one’s choice for the simple reason that that’s what one wants to do, that would eliminate the need for the crutch on which to base one’s behavior.

ELIAS:  Quite, but this also engages dangerous territory, for then you shall be engaging areas of value judgments and the engagement of the measurement of your assessment of self.

RODNEY:  Yeah, but I think what I’m saying is that okay, so I admit to myself that I have a preference about not engaging other people sexually when the weather is hot and our bodies are sweaty.  I mean, it almost sounds like that!

ELIAS:  Quite.

RODNEY:  And if I admit that this is a legitimate preference and if I give myself the right to choose, then I don’t need the excuse!

ELIAS:  You are correct.

RODNEY:  Yeah, and I recognize that there is an opportunity here to be judgmental about myself, but I think if I approach it from the point of view that I have the right to make the choice, that’s not judgmental, is it?

ELIAS:  No — you are correct — but these are automatic actions.  You are not creating a thought process and objectively concentrating upon creating a rash!

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  No!

ELIAS:  It is an automatic, effortless action, and in this, it is merely a provision that you offer to yourself, should the occasion arise that you wish not to be engaging, and offering yourself the ease of this excuse.  I am not expressing to you that you may not be altering....

RODNEY:  Could I stop for you for a second?

ELIAS:  Yes.

RODNEY:  I’ll be right back. (Pause for tape change)  Could you repeat that last phrase?

ELIAS:  I am not expressing to you that you may not be altering of this type of expression.  I am merely offering you an explanation of what you have created.

RODNEY:  Okay, I understand.  I thank you.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.

RODNEY:  Elias, our time is pretty much up.

I had a fairly significant dream recently and I don’t think it would be fair to go into too much detail, but if I gave you the end of this dream, could you kind of indicate to me, in a broad statement, what the dream is about?

ELIAS:  Proceed.

RODNEY:  Okay.  Towards the end of the dream ... to begin with, this involved an old friend who had a problem with alcoholism and with girls, and eventually took his own life.  He was very much involved in this dream.

Towards the end of it, I’m standing on a sidewalk attempting to get a taxi.  Two girls appear, young, and they approach me and offer me a ride to go where I want to go, which I accept.  We walk across the street and we get into a small car.  Something tells me it was light blue, but I’m not sure.  There’s an older woman behind the wheel, and one of the girls gets in the passenger side and the other girl gets in behind her.  I walk around to the seat behind the driver.  When I go to get in, I notice that the windows are out of the car and that it’s full of snow in the back seat.  Incidentally, there was also snow on the ground.  I find it difficult to get in, and I get the message from the driver, “If you want to get in, get in, and if you can’t do it, then forget about it.”  But I do get into the car, and oddly enough, the car is facing a river or a brook, and instead of backing into the street, the car goes forward down through the water, and I am transformed into an interior living quarters that are quite elaborate, and a very large man, very jovial, greets the driver and they know each other, and one of the girls embraces me sexually, and I come to realize that I have been here before, that this is familiar quarters for me, and that’s the end of the dream.

ELIAS:  I express to you in response to your questioning, in a broad evaluation of this dream imagery, what you have presented to yourself is the imagery of impossibilities and the imagery that regardless of how you may view certain elements to be impossible within your physical focus, they ARE familiar within essence, and THIS is the remembrance — not a memory of events, but the remembrance of BEING.

In this, within your imagery of this dream, you have presented to yourself a series of symbols that appear to you to be strange and impossible, unusual, and you have also offered to yourself the recognition in feeling or sensing the familiarity, and therefore are expressing the communication to yourself that there are no absolutes, that there are no impossibilities, and that all that you view to be unfamiliar within your physical focus is in actuality quite familiar within the remembrance of essence. (8-second pause)

RODNEY:  Elias?

ELIAS:  Yes?

RODNEY:  Hmm.  I’m going to have to study that transcript and review the rest of the dream, which I have not had an opportunity to do.

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

RODNEY:  And then I may come back and ask you some more questions about it! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Very well, and this is acceptable.

RODNEY:  Thank you, sir.

ELIAS:  You are very welcome.

RODNEY:  Thank you so much!

ELIAS:  I extend to you this day great affection and encouragement to be continuing within your exploration.

RODNEY:  Thank you.

ELIAS:  To you this day, a very loving au revoir.

RODNEY:  My love to you.

Elias departs at 2:53 PM.