Session 201910071

Session 20191007
"When You Change You, You Change the World"
"To Create Change, Consider One Difference"
"To Redefine Anything, Evaluate the Reasons"
"Concept vs. Experience"

Monday, October 7, 2019 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Jason (Spensar)

"You can be satisfied and love the new equally as much as the old."

ELIAS: Good morning!

JASON: Hi, Elias.

ELIAS: And what shall we discuss, my friend?

JASON: Lots of good stuff.

ELIAS: Excellent.

JASON: One of the things that I was talking with Mary about, and that I've been having a lot of fun with recently, is the idea that I'm constantly reliving the impact of past judgments. In other words, once I decided something was bad, I thereafter am automatically impacted and move in an uncomfortable direction when I encounter something similar to that that I originally judged.

ELIAS: Precisely. That, my friend, is the definition of an association.

JASON: Right. And so one of the things that I have been doing is—and this is the fun part because it's something that you can do—is noticing whenever I start to move in that uncomfortable direction, that there's an association being triggered or a previous judgment being triggered, and see if I can see what is not enough, right? Or what it is that I dislike, and then move in a different direction.

I'll give you an easy example, would be you're talking with someone and you don't like what they're saying or how they're reacting, and I could see that that's one of my rules being broken or something like that. I don't even need to really worry about it that much, but I could say, "You know what? This is enough," or "This is fine, because this person had a different perception, and what's important to me is not what they're doing but what I'm doing." And that's something I truly believe, so I can reinforce that perception instead of the other one.

ELIAS: Correct. And therefore in actuality what you are expressing is that not that it is enough in relation to what the other individual is expressing or doing, but that what you are doing is enough.

JASON: Right. I'm not doing it for them, I'm not condoning whatever they're doing or whatever is out there. It's simply because it's more comfortable for me.

ELIAS: Correct! Which is the point. And I cannot emphasize this strongly enough, because in that, when you are moving in the direction of paying attention to that, paying attention to you, placing yourself in that first position, that primary position, it sounds surfacely when you are expressing that; it sounds as though you are being self-absorbed or selfish. But in actuality, that is the key position, because when you are actually putting yourself in that position, you automatically, simply by default you are automatically being responsible to everyone else.


ELIAS: Because in that, when you move in that direction, then you are automatically paying more attention to you.

JASON: Right.

ELIAS: In doing so, you are removing that tremendous or considerably affecting judgment of the other individual, because you are more concerned with you and what you are doing and how that is affecting. And in this, the most simple example, or the most simple evidence of what I am expressing is when you are comfortable, when you are relaxed, when you are comfortable, when you are happy, the people around you are more relaxed.

JASON: Right.

ELIAS: When you are tense, when you are uncomfortable, when you are stressed or anxious, the people around you are uncomfortable. And one of the reasons that the people around you become uncomfortable when you are stressed, or frustrated, or irritated, or angry, or anything in those directions, is because then their perception is that you become unpredictable. And unpredictability is perceived as not safe. And therefore, automatically if you aren't uncomfortable, the people around you aren't comfortable either.

JASON: Now, just to clarify that, it's not that I make the other people uncomfortable; it's that they automatically react to what I'm doing.

ELIAS: Precisely.

JASON: They make themselves uncomfortable.

ELIAS: Yes, yes.

JASON: Right.

ELIAS: Yes. Just as it moves in that direction in the reverse.

JASON: Right.

ELIAS: If you are engaged with another individual and they are uncomfortable, or they are anxious or irritated, are you comfortable?

JASON: No. Generally not.

ELIAS: Precisely. Because you influence each other. These are the pieces that—

JASON: But I will say that I believe I'm moving in a direction that I will be comfortable, no matter what.

ELIAS: I agree, I agree. But what I would say to you in this also, you are correct. No, you aren't making the other person uncomfortable because you are uncomfortable, and the other person isn't making you uncomfortable because they are uncomfortable; you each are doing that yourselves in reaction. But I would also say to you that it is more than reaction, because it also involves that interconnectedness. Therefore, you respond to each other in a certain capacity automatically in relation to that interconnectedness, knowing—regardless of whether you are aware of it objectively or not—but knowing that whatever you are experiencing is affecting of everything else, and whatever is being experienced in everything else is affecting you, because you are a part of it and it is a part of you.

JASON: But then you can also make something else more important. In other words, if you're interacting with someone that is visibly distressed, you can reinforce that this situation is enough because it's important for you to support this person, to be of assistance to this person, or to be there for this person.

ELIAS: You could. But in that also, what is ultimately important is recognizing and knowing that the more comfortable you are, the more effective you will be in being helpful.

JASON: Right, and reinforcing that you're there to support the other person would help make you more comfortable, right?


JASON: Right. In other words, you're reframing it as “I'm not subject to this person downloading on me.”

ELIAS: Correct.

JASON: “I'm making a choice to be there for them.”

ELIAS: Correct. Now, in that, the other component remains ultimately important, because as you have all experienced at different times, you may have the intention to be supportive and helpful to another individual—that may be what you want to do—and the other individual may not necessarily be cooperative. Therefore, that also is another reason that it is so important that you are aware of you and that you are moving in that direction of being aware of you first and how important it is that you are comfortable, that you are centered, that you are balanced, and that you are expressing in a particular manner. And that will automatically, by default, aid you in how you are engaging with the other individual.

JASON: And I experienced that over the last few days in interacting with my wife.

ELIAS: Excellent. Do tell.

JASON: Well, without going into too much detail, just as a conversation starts to turn into an uncomfortable direction, I recognize that that is because it's an area that I've had some negative judgments on and am reacting, and my normal sense is not to draw more attention to that area, but it's an area that she wants to discuss. There's a couple of different things you could explore in there, but the first thing would be recognizing that my wife is important to me, and if it is an area that she wants to discuss, that is something that I am willing to do.


JASON: And I'll do it comfortably. But also then there is an opportunity for me to recognize what I’ve been saying is not enough, and maybe come up with an opportunity to reframe that, why that is enough right now.

ELIAS: Excellent, excellent. Congratulations.

JASON: Thank you, thank you. I wrote this down just to clear my thoughts, but one of the tendencies that I have to do, that I automatically would do, is in moving my perception, or shifting my perception, I would automatically look to what's happening in the physical world, and that would knock me off of what I was trying to do. You know what I mean?

ELIAS: How so?

JASON: If you try to move in a different perception, like appreciating what you have instead of focusing on what you don't have, if you keep looking to the physical world in your normal, habitual mode, you keep ... it's simple to do it at the same time. It's like the experience of you're constantly checking the real world for proof, and that is your doubt.

But if you could say that…One of the realizations, or what I've been working with now, is the idea that my primary focus is on my experience right now. In other words, if I can look at why this is enough right now, look at the evidence—and evidence that I believe; we're not talking about reasons that are fake, like I'm switching to a different, whether it's an influence or a belief, but it's something that I do believe—that changes my experience immediately, and I can use that as that is my marker of success. Then I don't have to worry about how the physical world…or what's going to happen in the future.

ELIAS: Precisely. I very much agree. Excellent. Congratulations!

JASON: Thank you.

ELIAS: That is tremendous.

JASON: And tremendously fun too, because then it opens up the door of what you can do when your goal is to change, you're focused on changing your experience. It just seems like you could do a lot more than if you were trying to change the outside world directly.

ELIAS: Most definitely. You can't change the outside world anyway.

JASON: Right. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: Because you have no control over that.

JASON: Right.

ELIAS: The ironic aspect of it is that when you are changing you, you ARE changing the outside world because you are changing your perception, which creates that outside world.

JASON: Right, right.

ELIAS: But you aren't doing it from that perspective of attempting to change some outside source.

JASON: Right. That would be the key difference of using, "Oh, I'm going to say this is enough because I want it to change." No, that doesn't work.

ELIAS: Precisely, precisely. And that is an excellent point.

JASON: That doesn't change your experience. You still don't like it.

ELIAS: You are correct. You are definitely correct. And I would express that that is definitely an excellent point, because there are many individuals that move in those directions, generating that type of thought process that they can cut the corners and fool themselves or fool reality, as if reality was something separate. And you are correct; it isn't successful.

JASON: And the solution is actually pretty easy; it's just taken me a while to implement it. I know we discussed in the past about using evidence to support the enough. And I've finally gotten around to being able to apply that in a wide variety of directions, and it's very easy to come up with reasons—that I believe—that it is enough right now. You know?


JASON: Whatever topic we're talking about.

ELIAS: Yes, I agree! I definitely agree. And in that, I am tremendously acknowledging of you, my friend, because this is the point. So many people think and have this perception that it is all so difficult, and that it is difficult to find the evidence or the support in relation to what you want to create, when in actuality that is so incorrect. It isn't difficult.

All of this reality-creating subject, you do it so automatically. It isn't hard. What is somewhat challenging is doing it intentionally in the direction that you want, and not falling into the automatic familiar directions that you have engaged for most of your life. But it is simply a matter of stopping temporarily and paying attention. Simply stopping, looking at what you are doing, and then considering one difference. That is all that is required: one difference.

JASON: Now, I'll get a confirmation from you, which I'm sure you'll agree because it's my experience (Elias laughs), I'm already there. But I've been able to use this successfully on some areas that have had me feeling, let's say, less comfortable in the past. And that would be the job situation, financial situation, and the general sense of what I'm doing.

ELIAS: The general sense of what you are doing in relation to what?

JASON: With my life.

ELIAS: [Inaudible]

JASON: In other words, one of the reframing that I've been doing is simply looking at why what I am doing with my life is enough, and what are the reasons that I actually believe that, and just reinforcing that.

ELIAS: Yes. Yes. And it is astounding how powerful that simplicity is. This subject of enough is so tremendously powerful. It has such an incredible power to change your experience tremendously and dynamically that it is astounding.

JASON: (Laughs) And I think when there's a sense, when you're going through this shift process, that you want to cling to what you knew in the past rather than embracing what you are doing. That's the sense where I get that I'm moving toward that embracing of what I am doing. What I was doing previously was clinging to the past.

ELIAS: I agree, I agree.

Now; I would say to you that a very significant expression of that that would be tremendously affecting now, presently, in this time framework, would be actually in relation to climate change, because this is a subject that many, many, many individuals are expressing and experiencing in precisely what you have just explained, that they are generating that association with the past, with what is familiar—(emphatically) and what they love.

JASON: Right.

ELIAS: Not necessarily what they are dissatisfied with, but rather what they appreciate, what they are satisfied with, what they love, and generating that idea and that perception that they are losing it, rather than moving in the direction of precisely what you are expressing, that it is enough and that you are moving in the direction of creating, being inspired, moving forward and generating more of and new, and that you can be satisfied and love the new equally as much as the old.

JASON: I know. I can see that now as far as ... I don't know what took me so long to embrace that. (Both laugh) I can see how I'm—

ELIAS: I do, because it is not only unfamiliar, but you can't see what the future appears to be. You don't know what to imagine.

JASON: Right.

ELIAS: You don't know what to visualize.

JASON: So you always look at what you liked in the past and hold onto that.

ELIAS: Yes. And then generate this automatic idea that you are losing it and it won't be the same, and therefore you won't like it or it won't be as satisfying, or you won't love it in the manner that you did before, and in that, rather you will have to get used to it rather than have that expression of what you love, and you will have to adjust to it. And these are words that you look at as not necessarily entirely positive.

In this, I would say that when you are thinking about creating reality, moving back to the simplicity of the formula of how it functions, is that you always create more of what you are already engaging. You always create more of what you already have, you create more of what you are already doing, you create more of what you are already paying attention to.

Therefore, with that being the principle, then if you are paying attention to your reality and what you love, then how are you losing it if you are creating more of it?

JASON: Right. Focus on how you are already creating what you want now.

ELIAS: Yes. That you are paying attention to what you love, and what you are already creating, and what you are have, and in doing so you automatically create more of it.

JASON: This discussion we're having right now, the other thing that I have been thinking of in previous weeks is when we spoke a long time ago about moving to that state of where everything is a choice, or seems to be a choice. One of the things you mentioned was the process of redefining. And a part of what I've been doing in recent weeks is reinforcing this new viewpoint, recognizing that it's not…You know, what do I believe is true now? That I always create more. Do I believe that? Can I believe that? And I move in that direction.

In other words, I think it was Jean that mentioned this, was the idea that what beliefs do you have that you're reacting to that you don't believe anymore?


JASON: And so then the question is what do you believe, right? And reinforcing that going forward, that I actually do create my reality, that I'm not subject to outside forces. And you can see that because all the areas that you're having difficulty with are areas that you have that negative, that "not enough" association.

ELIAS: Yes, yes. You are exceptionally correct; yes.

JASON: Okay, great.

Question on that redefining process, because I think that would be helpful also for—not only myself it's been helpful, but helpful for other people: What one or two or three things would you recommend for most people to continuously remind themself of? Because it's easy to fall back on looking for outside sources, right? Looking for what to do based on the outside sources. And so, are there a couple of reminders that you would put above others?

ELIAS: In association with that action of redefining?

JASON: Right.

ELIAS: I would say, in relation to redefining anything—it doesn't matter what it is—but in relation to redefining anything, the most significant piece is the construct. The most significant piece is asking yourself, “What is the reason that supports the present definition?”

JASON: Hmm. And then that immediately pulls up…and you can laugh at it if you don't believe it anymore. (Chuckles)

ELIAS: Precisely. Because that gives you the identification of the construct, because that's what constructs are; they are the reasons for. And therefore, I would say that the most significant piece in redefining would be to stop at any given point when you are attempting to redefine something, regardless of what it is, and simply asking yourself what reasons support the definition that you already have, and then simply evaluating, "Are those reasons valid?"

JASON: Right. And a big one that comes up, particularly in reaction to outside sources, is the belief that I'm acquiring what I want from other people.

ELIAS: Yes. And I would express that in that, not only “Is it valid?” but “Do you actually agree with it any longer?”

JASON: Right.

ELIAS: And at times you might. At times you might be presenting that question to yourself and your answer may be yes, that you DO agree with that, and that yes, that is still valid for you.

JASON: Right. Because this new direction always starts out as kind of an experiment.

ELIAS: Yes. Yes. And in that, this is your question. This is your indicator. This is your evaluator.

JASON: Right.

Okay. Another question, which is: In a prior session we had mentioned what am I expressing that is contrary to self-love. And we discussed the analyzation and the self-improvement. And so I thought about that for a little bit, and what came to mind as what it felt like, what that tendency felt like to me internally, it was the association that I should be doing better.


JASON: Automatic association, meaning it doesn't matter necessarily what direction I'm paying attention to, that association can come up in a lot of different directions.

ELIAS: I agree.

JASON: And so I wanted to confirm with you that that is what you were talking about.

ELIAS: Yes. Definitely.

JASON: That was the genesis with, or the source of why I was also, I mentioned earlier, why do I believe what I am doing right now is enough?

ELIAS: Correct. Correct.

JASON: Okay.

Another confirmation that I wanted to get, which is something that I've noticed in the past but was unable to do very often, but I appear to be able to do very easily right now, which is I can identify a subject, and I can express appreciation for that subject simply by holding that subject in my mind and without thinking about it.

ELIAS: Correct.

JASON: And I wanted to confirm that that is appreciation.

ELIAS: Yes. Congratulations!

JASON: Thank you. And that makes it much easier to apply in every direction.

ELIAS: I definitely agree.

JASON: And I know—

ELIAS: Now, how would you describe that, or define that, to another individual?

JASON: That would be tricky. (Both laugh) I would say that the practice that moves in that direction is a simple question of "Can I appreciate this now?" And I noticed in the last few weeks all the judgments I was making. Particularly, one area that came up was at my son's soccer games, and there was this automatic judgment of, "Oh, there was a missed opportunity there. Oh, he could have done that better." And I was like, "This is kind of silly." In the big picture of things, yes, I would love for him to be an awesome star soccer player. But what is most important to me is that I appreciate what he's doing now and appreciate the time I'm spending with him. And so I made that more important than all the other judgments and then just moved in that direction, "Can I just appreciate this now?" And it just started flowing from there.

That's one example of applying it. I did that in other areas, but an example.

ELIAS: Excellent, my friend, excellent. I would express that actually as an excellent example—simple, but effective and actually profound.

JASON: And it makes me happier. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: And that would definitely be significant. (Laughs)

JASON: The other thing I do notice—and you mentioned explaining it to someone else—we discussed this previously, is that there's something with the breath, with the appreciation. It's almost like I'm breathing the appreciation, is the way it feels internally.

ELIAS: I agree, I agree. Because you are living it. You aren't simply thinking it. You are experiencing it, which is—


ELIAS: That is actually, you are accurately correct. You are breathing it, you are living it, because you are experiencing it; you aren't simply thinking about it.

JASON: I’m just letting that sink in…. (Elias laughs) That's great.

ELIAS: And that is the point, my friend, with everything: that you are living it, that you are experiencing it. This is the point, and the difference, that I expressed from the onset of this forum, of concept and reality.

When you move a concept into reality, what you have done is you have taken a subject and you have experienced it. And once you have experienced it, then you have moved it from that realm of being concept into the realm of being reality.

This is also the reason that even to this day in many situations—not all, but many—that there are subjects that I don't necessarily engage with individuals until after they have experienced them. Because before that, they may have information, but it is only concept.

JASON: Right. And I know—

ELIAS: And the difficulty with that is that for most individuals the more you reinforce a concept intellectually, the farther the individual moves from moving it into an experience and moving it into their reality. The more the concept is reinforced, the more the individual incorporates a tendency to hold it in that realm of a concept.

JASON: Ha! I would not have suspected that.

ELIAS: And therefore they don't apply it, and in that, they don't experience. It doesn't become a part of their reality. Therefore, this is the piece that happens in relation to many individuals in which you might recognize that individuals are accomplished at quoting information. They are accomplished at debating different subjects. They can talk about all of the information that I express, but that they may not necessarily be actively applying it in their life.

Why? Because what many people do is they will seek out other people to discuss the concept with, and they become very focused on the concepts themselves, on the information itself and not the application of it. And therefore, that incorporates a tendency to hold that information in that realm of concept, in which it doesn't become applied and the individuals don't experience it. And in that, they don't insert that into their reality, which then thusly also doesn't empower them, because it isn't real yet.

JASON: Right. And you see that a lot with the channeled information.

ELIAS: Very much so, yes. And I would express that this is very, very common. This is the reason that there are points of information that individuals are correct that I may withhold intentionally, because I know that the individual is engaging with concepts and is fascinated with that, but they are not moving in the direction of moving that into experience.

And without the experience, then that doesn't generate a change in their reality; and in offering them more information that reinforces the concept, that actually encourages them to not be moving the concept into experience.

JASON: When I first did sessions with you years ago, I had a very hard time, a great reluctance to re-listening to or rereading those sessions. I would have a session, and it might be six months before I was able to revisit it.

ELIAS: Yes, yes. And I would be tremendously acknowledging of you in that, because your desire has always been tremendously strong in the direction of moving a concept into that realm of reality and experiencing it. And you do that with every source of information that you offer to yourself in relation to what you read, what you listen to, what you pay attention to, the conversations that we have, the information you give yourself in relation to other sources. You have always incorporated a significant desire to be experiencing the reality rather than only the concept.

And therefore, I would express a validation to you. Yes, that creates a situation in which it would be difficult for you to re-listen to our conversations initially. Eventually, once you have already moved the concept into the realm of experience, then there is no conflict.

JASON: Right.

ELIAS: And it doesn't hinder you, and then you can reengage those conversations, and you will actually give yourself more layers of information.

JASON: Right.

ELIAS: And then from that, you will likely not re-listen to them again for a while, in order to insert THOSE layers into reality.

JASON: Hm. Very interesting. I wanted just to clarify a certain point, which is that desire that I've had is a two-edged sword, so to speak. (Both chuckle) That is the whip that I've beaten myself with for a long period of time.

ELIAS: I understand. Now, I would also express once again, now define that. Because other individuals will not necessarily understand what you are saying.

JASON: Well, part of it is, the reason I bring it up is because I believe that my sessions can be more focused on a single subject or direction, to the point where it may be irritating to other people that I just always talk about the same thing over and over. And part of my clarifying it is I'm very happy with what is occurring, but there's a lot of, not frustration may be the right word, but maybe there was, that has been behind it all. That sense that I was making myself uncomfortable and it didn't have to be this way.

ELIAS: Precisely. But what I would say to you is, this is an interesting example of perception. Because I definitely understand your perception and that you have that perception that you are being repetitive. I would also say to you that that is definitely not other people's perception.

JASON: Okay.

ELIAS: That they don't listen to your conversations and automatically think that they are being repetitive. They listen to your conversations, and they see differences in each one. They look at their OWN expressions, and they think the same as you do, that they themselves are being repetitive and that they keep moving in the same direction. Which is actually an interesting example, because I would say the same to them, that they also aren't necessarily being as repetitive as they think they are.

JASON: Right. Very interesting.

ELIAS: I would say to you that how you are being repetitive is with your tremendous fascination and desire to be implementing, intentionally creating your reality in every possible direction. That is the only repetitive piece. And in that, it isn't actually repetitive, because you are engaging many, many, many, many, many different subjects in how to apply that: different situations, different subjects, different methods, different directions, all the different angles that you can possibly engage to implement that desire to be intentionally choosing, intentionally creating your reality, and to be doing so in a manner that is comfortable and satisfying to you as much as possible. And I would be exceptionally acknowledging that.

JASON: Thank you.

ELIAS: And one of the reasons, my friend, that I would be exceptionally acknowledging of that seems tremendously simplistic or seems to be almost ludicrous: that you want to be comfortable and that this is a very motivating factor in relation to what you choose, what you do, and what direction you move in, and how you follow your desire, because that aspect of comfort is a very motivating factor. And that may seem, surfacely, that of course wouldn't everyone move in that direction? Doesn't everyone move in that direction? And no, they don't.

JASON: Right.

ELIAS: Actually, there are much fewer of you that actually intentionally, objectively pay attention to being comfortable and asking yourself whether you actually are or not. I would say that most individuals don't do that. They express conceptually that they want to be happy, that they want to be comfortable, that they want to be satisfied, that this is their goal, but that isn't what they pay attention to.

JASON: Right.

ELIAS: And that isn't necessarily what motivates them.

JASON: Right. I wanted to clarify a couple of things, which is I don't ask you about regeneration or returning energy to the source, those healing methods, not because I'm not interested in health, but because I have the perception that by simply appreciating what is—

ELIAS: That you are automatically doing it, and I agree.

JASON: Okay.

ELIAS: Yes. I would express that you are correct, that you are automatically expressing all of that in that appreciation, and not interfering by concentrating on other, such as aging or your body consciousness not functioning or that it isn't generating enough.

You intentionally concentrate significantly on this subject of enough versus not enough, and that is a tremendous factor that influences your reality to BE automatically creating in that direction of healing, of regeneration, of ... Not even in those expressions, but rather in maintaining health, because you don't have to heal and you don't have to regenerate, because you aren't not doing it. Therefore, you are actually expressing in the direction of maintaining health and wellbeing.

JASON: Okay. Excellent!

ELIAS: I agree. (Both laugh)

JASON: And it wasn't always the case.

ELIAS: I would express that this is one of those differences in not necessarily having to concern yourself with the concept, because you are applying it in the reality.

JASON: And so that's applicable to other subject areas as well?

ELIAS: Oh, definitely; yes.

JASON: Excellent. Well, thank you very much, Elias. This has been terrific as always.

ELIAS: And I agree. A most stimulating conversation, my friend. And I am tremendously acknowledging and encouraging you. I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting, and I express tremendous love to you, my dear friend, in dear friendship as always. Au revoir.

JASON: Goodbye, Elias. Thank you.

(Elias departs after 59 minutes, 6 seconds)