Session 1488

“The Significance of Process Rather than Outcome”

Tuesday, December 30, 2003 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Frank (Ulra)

(Arrival time is 18 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

FRANK: Good morning! Good to talk to you again! (Elias laughs) I always anticipate these conversations with great expectation.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And what are you creating?

FRANK: Oh, boy! (Elias laughs) Some pretty interesting stuff! Lots of entertainment for you today.

ELIAS: Ah! I am anticipating of this! Ha ha!

FRANK: (Laughs) But we’ll start with some other things first. Let’s see. First, let me ask you about a dream I had.

ELIAS: Very well.

FRANK: This dream was fairly recent. I don’t remember too much. I’m not sure where I was, but I think I was on an army base somewhere in a tropical area, and it seemed like it was during World War II. Planes came over and started spraying rounds, so I dropped down on the ground and stayed on the ground. These planes kept going over, and they were firing bullets. I wasn’t afraid very much it didn’t seem; I just was thinking I better get out of here. So I got up and ran into a clump of palm trees. Then they started firing at me in there, and I got down there. That was the end of the dream. So was this something that really happened, or was this all symbolic?

ELIAS: This actually is a viewing of another focus — which I may be congratulating you in this imagery in offering yourself such a vivid scenario as to be viewing another focus, which I am aware of your desire to be engaging that action, and you have accomplished! Ha ha!

FRANK: Was this during World War II?


FRANK: Was it at Pearl Harbor?

ELIAS: No, in another physical location more closely located to Japan.

FRANK: Was I Japanese?


FRANK: Was it at the same time as Pearl Harbor?


FRANK: So it was Guam or someplace like that.


FRANK: That’s interesting. I didn’t know about that focus. (Elias chuckles) I kind of thought that’s what it was. I don’t know why I thought that, but for some reason I didn’t think it was symbolic. It was more something that had happened.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

FRANK: Why that focus? Why did I view that focus?

ELIAS: For it is what you would term to be a more recent focus of past focuses and a more familiar type of focus that you incorporate knowledge of already, generally speaking. Therefore, it is what you would term to be an easier focus to investigate and to present to yourself, for you already incorporate some familiarity with the actions that occurred within that time period.

FRANK: Was that Guam?

ELIAS: What you term to be the Philippines.

FRANK: Interesting. Maybe I’ll investigate it ... probably not. (Both laugh) Like we talked about last time, about all I get when I try to investigate these focuses is pictures, so there’s not a whole lot there. (Elias laughs) But that’s pretty interesting.

Next thing I wanted to talk to you about is lately over the past couple of months Cardelete seems much happier, just lighter energy and more fun and a sort of different attitude about everything. Can you tell me what’s going on there?

ELIAS: I may express to you that partially there is an influence from yourself. For in your movement and your presentment of yourself and your projections of energy — which have been consistently widening and paying more attention to yourself — in that action, you express a type of example to her without forcing energy in association with this information, and that is being noticed. That has somewhat of an influence in her becoming more comfortable with her own expressions and allowing herself more freedom within herself and her movements.

FRANK: You said that’s a part of it. What’s the other part of it?

ELIAS: Her own movement, and her own direction and desire to be expressing more comfortably and to be exploring her own expressions, and to be exploring more fully what her preferences are, allowing herself that freedom within her own preferences, and becoming more confident and more comfortable in that type of movement and that type of allowance.

FRANK: To some extent I thought it had to do with the fact that — and maybe you can speak about this — I think she’s coming to terms with the fact that our children are becoming adults and she doesn’t have to worry about them as much. Is that a part of it?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes. But more so it is a realization of herself and that she is not merely this role of a parent or a mother, that she is her own individual also and that she does incorporate her own preferences, which she has not paid much attention to for an extended time framework, and now she is allowing herself more of a freedom in her own directions and her own movement. That association with the children becoming more independent is somewhat of a factor in the motivation expression, but it is actually more of a realization of herself and more of a movement, so to speak, of coming into an awareness of herself and her own preferences and her own freedoms.

FRANK: To me, it seems very noticeable since the last time we talked.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

FRANK: It’s been great. (Elias chuckles) I guess on a related note, not today but the previous couple of days, for some reason I wake up just feeling very happy in myself, much lighter. What’s going on there?

ELIAS: And your impression?

FRANK: I guess it’s the same thing for me. I’m getting more freedom or expressing more freedom. I seem to be creating pretty efficiently — both good and bad. (Elias laughs) Things that people would view as negative I view as positive. We’ll get to that soon.

ELIAS: (Laughs) I incorporate no doubt!

FRANK: I guess that would be my analysis.

ELIAS: Correct. Also, I may offer to you in explanation, as I have to other individuals recently, within this wave that is occurring presently associated with truths, the manner in which you are each presenting to yourselves your truths and your evaluations is through action and experience, not intellectual as it has been previously with other waves in consciousness. This particular wave in consciousness is being expressed somewhat differently.

In this, it is not merely your truths that you shall present to yourself in actions or in experiences, but also your validations. In this, as you are accomplishing and you are becoming more comfortable within your own expressions and you are generating more trust of yourself, you also shall experience the validation of yourself in this type of feeling, so to speak, this recognition of a lightness of your energy and a contentment and an ease in your energy. This is your validation to yourself of your movement within this wave.

FRANK: That’s great. It’s a great feeling. (Elias laughs) It’s a good way to wake up. It’s interesting because lately I’ve been under I don’t know if I would call it pressure, but there’s been a lot going on and a lot of things that I’ve needed to do and have been responsible for. Frankly, I’m working more than I ever have, certainly for this time of year, but yet none of that seems to bother me at all.

ELIAS: I am understanding. In this, what you are also validating, which creates this experience or this feeling of lightness and confidence, is an acknowledgment of, as I have stated, your trust, but also a validation of your recognition of your abilities and your widening in recognizing your power. This is a validation of your empowerment to yourself and how you are actually expressing that and moving into more of a fullness of that through experiences rather than merely generating thought processes concerning these concepts, but actually actualizing them and enacting your own empowerment in your movement in each day.

FRANK: I can see that. Things seem a lot easier. (Elias chuckles)

Why don’t we come to the big physical imagery? (Elias laughs) There’s been all kinds of car crashes around here since I last talked to you, none of which involved me interestingly enough, but all of which involved my children. It all happened in a pretty short period of time, so it’s obviously some big bells and sirens going off, but for whatever reason I’m not picking up what they are — or maybe I have. I don’t know at this point.

About three weeks ago my son was driving on an icy road and slid into a parked car and damaged one of our cars. Then a few days later he was at a friend’s house, and some young girl backed into my other car and damaged it. Then a few days after that, my daughter got into a pretty serious accident — no one got hurt, but major damage to the car that my son had originally damaged. (Laughs, and Elias chuckles)

We had three of these within a space of about ten or twelve days. This is on top of — I remember the last time we talked — the other car that we have was damaged when my son’s friends jumped on it. So what’s going on there?

ELIAS: And your impression?

FRANK: I know that the last time we talked, we talked about the dents in the car and you said it was to get my attention because I’m not paying attention, so obviously I’m not paying attention to something. I don’t know. Is it that I’m not paying enough attention to my children? (Elias chuckles) I guess I want to talk to you about from my point of view, why did I create this and why did they create it. So I guess we’re starting with me. That would be my impression.

ELIAS: Very well. I may express to you, first of all, in association with yourself, it is not imagery that you are presenting to yourself concerning not paying enough attention. In this, you are presenting imagery to yourself concerning the actions of other individuals and how you respond to the choices and the actions of other individuals, and whether you react in automatic responses or whether you are moving into different responses in association with being more aware of yourself and offering yourself different choices.

I may express to you that this is an opportunity for you to be examining how you respond in association with actions that appear to be dramatic, and whether you allow yourself to view your choices and express an acceptance or whether you continue to move in those familiar automatic responses. And what would your assessment be of your interaction and your responses in these scenarios?

FRANK: Hmm. That’s a more complicated question than it seems to be. (Elias chuckles) My automatic response to that question is that I didn’t respond in terms of an automatic response. But maybe I did. I didn’t fly off the handle or anything like that. I would say for the most part that no, I think I did view my choices...


FRANK: ...and I didn’t respond. I didn’t get angry; I didn’t get upset. So I would say yes, I did consider.

ELIAS: Which is significant, for this also is another validation and evidence that you offer to yourself that you are paying attention and that you are generating different responses than those that would be more familiar to you. (Laughs)

FRANK: Okay, but why three times? (Both laugh) I mean, how many times do I need to learn this lesson? It’s getting expensive and time-consuming and all that!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Ah, but this is significant. For in presenting to yourself this type of scenario merely once, you may not necessarily notice the difference in your responsiveness and you may not necessarily emphasize to yourself the actual alteration in your energy which has occurred. But if you present this type of scenario to yourself more dramatically in generating it repeatedly in a relatively short time framework, you do pay attention and you do allow yourself to genuinely assess your responsiveness and your behavior, and acknowledge the alteration in your energy, how you have reconfigured your energy.

Now; as to the other individuals, their imagery is different. I may express to you in association with your son, his imagery IS concerning not paying attention — not paying attention to what he is engaging, not paying attention to how he is interacting with other individuals, and not paying attention to what he is creating in conjunction with himself and other individuals. In a manner of speaking, I may figuratively express to you that this individual in recent time framework has been expressing in the cliché of “head in the clouds” and drifting in and out of fogs. (Laughs)

FRANK: I thought that was kind of normal for a teenage boy!

ELIAS: (Laughs) Within your beliefs, I would be in agreement!

FRANK: So it doesn’t need to be that way.

ELIAS: It is not bad. It merely is an identification of what he is expressing.

As to the imagery with your daughter, this is imagery that she has created for herself partially in conjunction with paying more attention to herself, but also her imagery was expressed somewhat more so in a wanting of specific interaction with other individuals in a nurturing and comforting type of expression.

FRANK: I assume that’s not just my wife and I, but also other people?


FRANK: Probably more other people than us?

ELIAS: Yes. This individual has generated somewhat of a feeling, so to speak, of some slight isolation — not physically isolated, but in inclusion in camaraderie, experiencing some expressions of not feeling entirely included, and therefore, partially this imagery was generated as an expression to receive that type of payoff from other individuals.

FRANK: Her friends?

ELIAS: Yes. Which, she has accomplished.

FRANK: To us, it seems like this has hit her pretty hard. That’s the best way to describe the whole thing. I guess I’m not sure where I’m going with this. Do you have any advice? Should I just try to support her?

ELIAS: That would be my suggestion, to be...

FRANK: That’s pretty hard to do with her sometimes! (Elias chuckles) At least it seems that way.

ELIAS: be nurturing, to be generating an understanding and acceptance and a gentleness, for she is seeking from other individuals what she will not offer to herself in that gentleness.

FRANK: Yes, she’s very hard on herself.

ELIAS: I am aware.

FRANK: Is there a reason for that? I’m sure there is. But would it do me any good for you to tell me what that’s all about?

ELIAS: This individual, in similar manner to many individuals, generates many expectations of herself and projects her attention outside of herself quite frequently, seeking approval of other individuals, and that generates a strength in the expectations that she expresses of herself. That also generates what you may term to be fertile ground for disappointment, for if she is not meeting the expectations that she sets for herself, she disappoints herself and thusly discounts herself tremendously. This generally is expressed more strongly for the reason that she does not look to herself. She seeks expressions from other individuals to validate her value.

FRANK: Coming back to something you said earlier, very often when we try to nurture her or offer her gentleness, we get rebuffed, usually pretty aggressively, so it’s hard to even know how to offer her support.

ELIAS: I may express to you, you may be nurturing and gentle and supportive without overt actions. In this, the more strongly you express an attempt to be overtly gentle or nurturing physically — you are correct — the more strongly she opposes, for it emphasizes within her what she is not offering to herself, and she recognizes this. Therefore, she responds in a repelling manner.

Now; if you are expressing supportiveness in merely accepting and not generating an overt expression or a dramatic expression of nurturing and what you think of as understanding, and you are physically and interactively expressing more of a neutrality, this may be more readily accepted — which the energy may be the same, but the outward expression may be configured differently.

FRANK: Boy, that’s hard! That’s like a graduate-level course here!

ELIAS: And thus the significance of being aware of what type of energy you are projecting! Ha ha ha!

FRANK: Which I’m not always aware of, obviously. Do you communicate with her?

ELIAS: Yes. This is not to say that she is always open and allowing a reception, but I continue to be interactive, regardless.

FRANK: Maybe I should try to get her on the phone with you one of these days.

ELIAS: (Laughs) That would be her choice. Ha ha!

FRANK: Yeah, I learned that a long time ago! By the way, Moorah almost joined us for this one, but I think she’d rather sleep. (Both laugh) I hope you’re not insulted!

ELIAS: (Laughs) Not at all!

FRANK: Oh, good! Glad to hear that. I think that’s it for this subject, unless there’s anything else you want to add. Am I done with this?

ELIAS: Are you?

FRANK: Have I learned this lesson?

ELIAS: And I may express the same inquiry to you! (Laughs) Recognize that it is not necessarily a lesson, my friend. It is merely an opportunity for you to recognize the alterations and the reconfigurations that you have created. You and I have discussed reconfiguring energy, and previously you have incorporated some confusion as to how that occurs and what it may affect. Now you are engaging that action of reconfiguring your own energy and viewing the difference of how you express yourself and your behaviors.

FRANK: I’d have to say I’m still not sure how it occurs.

ELIAS: I am understanding, but I may express...

FRANK: What’s the final step in this?

ELIAS: (Laughs) As you continue to pay attention, it shall become more clear.

FRANK: That’s good. I think things are moving in a good direction. (Elias laughs)

Let’s move on to something else that we discussed last time. It’s interesting, last time we talked about this potentially major business deal my company was involved in. I don’t remember your exact words, but it was something along the lines of it was a great opportunity to show what I could do here and all that. So I went to work with a very positive attitude and ended up not getting it. In fact, we got notified fairly quickly after that. I guess I’m a little surprised. I felt like at least from an attitude point of view that I had the right attitude about the whole thing.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

FRANK: I’m not expressing this well, but you know what I’m talking about.

ELIAS: Yes. But what also were we discussing?

FRANK: My memory’s not that good.

ELIAS: The process and the noticing of the process and the appreciation of the process, rather than merely paying attention to the outcome.

FRANK: Interestingly enough... (Elias laughs) Did you have more to say on that?

ELIAS: Continue.

FRANK: Not too long after that, actually, something else with much better potential came along and we’re in the midst of that right now. That actually might turn out to be much bigger and much better, if it happens, which I think it will.

ELIAS: Which, pay attention to the process. For many times you may be generating a process that is moving in a direction of producing what you want, but many times if your attention is fixed upon the outcome, you narrow your potential and you constrict the vastness of your ability.

Now; in paying attention to the process and viewing one outcome as unfavorable but continuing to be expressing the energy that you are and moving in the same direction, it is not uncommon that this type of action occurs, in which you surprise yourself and you generate some outcome that is more to what you want than you originally assessed.

FRANK: Obviously, that is what happened. It was interesting, because frankly, even after the guy called and said no, we’re not going to use you, we’re going to use another company, I really didn’t change my attitude much at all. It was almost as if I felt like he was going to call back and change his mind — which hasn’t happened yet, but I still hope. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: But the significance in this action is your energy and your direction with it and your continuation in the process and your continuation to be expressing the same direction and the same energy, and not discontinuing merely that you presented to yourself what appears surfacely to be an obstacle — and in actuality is not an obstacle, but clearing a stone that perhaps lies between your accomplishment of what you want in your process.

FRANK: It seems to have happened. What’s interesting about all of these things is that I really haven’t thought about much of any of this too much since, while it was going on.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Which is also significant.

FRANK: Yes, it is. It comes back to a lot of things that you’ve been saying for a long time, but it takes a while to get it all.

ELIAS: And therefore, may I assess that you are getting it? (Laughs)

FRANK: Well, yeah! Okay, sure! You can do that. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: Very well!

FRANK: Since we last talked, I went to the baseball tournament and I wanted to ask you about that. There’s a lot of things I could ask you about that, but mainly I ended up being on a team that was not very good. I’m wondering why did I create that, what was going on with that whole thing.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) And what is your assessment?

FRANK: I don’t know...

ELIAS: This is also partially associated with what we have been discussing in association with your business.

FRANK: That’s interesting. I will say that I probably didn’t go into it with the best attitude. I don’t know.

ELIAS: I may express to you that you purposefully created that choice to be participating with those individuals as another example to you of how you are directing your attention and what you are paying attention to and what beliefs are you expressing, and allowing an influence in your actions and your interactions.

In this, it is another example of a process rather than the outcome, and the significance of the process and how you participate and interact in association with that process, what your motivation is, whether you are actually paying more attention to the outcome or whether you are paying attention to the camaraderie within the process.

In this, you partially accomplished some reconfigurations of energy in that scenario but not to the extent that you had with your business, for your influences of your beliefs were more directed to the outcome and the productivity.

FRANK: Let me see if I understand what you’re saying here. What you’re saying is that in a sense I was successful because of the relationships that I established and the extent to which I enjoyed that part of it and (inaudible)?

ELIAS: Yes. It was an opportunity to actually view what is more significant to you. I am understanding that you do incorporate preferences in association with winning, but I am also aware in your energy that stronger preferences are expressed within you as to what you value. The relationships and the interactions that you express are more valuable to you than the winning or the losing.

FRANK: But couldn’t I have done both?

ELIAS: You could. But in association with your expressed beliefs, the winning would have overshadowed the camaraderie and the process.

FRANK: Oh, really? Are you saying that I have a belief that I can’t win if I’m having this camaraderie?

ELIAS: No. I am merely expressing that in association with your beliefs that influence your behaviors and your attention, the winning becomes a greater manifestation, but in actuality it is not what you value more.

FRANK: In other words, what you’re saying is had we done really well, I would have walked away from that and the main thing I would have drawn from it was the fact that we won...


FRANK: ...not that I interacted with all those people.

ELIAS: Yes. Therefore, you offered yourself a scenario in which you did not distract yourself from paying attention to what you value more.

FRANK: But again, you say that’s because of my beliefs?

ELIAS: Yes. All that you express is influenced by beliefs.

FRANK: I would have never figured this one out! (Both laugh) It was interesting, because when I was down there I was having fun, but at times I wasn’t. At times I felt like my body physically couldn’t take it anymore. I don’t know where I’m going with this, but I just have a problem with aspects of beliefs as well.


FRANK: If I went to do it again, I’d probably have a lot more fun, be a little more relaxed about the whole thing.

ELIAS: And that is quite an accurate assessment, for you recognize what has influenced certain expressions in that experience. You recognize that you incorporate beliefs concerning age and physical expressions. But you also know within yourself, my friend, that that is not true and therefore you may allow yourself to relax and express differently.

FRANK: I wouldn’t have to be so physically worn out the whole time.

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: That would be a great expression to change. (Elias chuckles) It’s really true. It all comes to me now, what you’re saying. It makes a lot of sense.

I felt like the team was directed in a very inept manner. Is there any other message there other than what you’ve said?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) This is also associated with the process and paying attention to the type of energy that is being expressed within the process.

As you are aware now, if you are expressing a consistency in energy, it does naturally produce certain outcomes, which may be somewhat, in your terms, predictable, for it is obvious. If the energy that you are expressing is relaxed and is directed and is motivated in association with what you want and what you value, you easily produce. But the production is not what holds the greatest significance; the outcome is not what holds the greatest significance or value. In this, as you look to an endpoint in the outcome, your energy is configured in a manner which does not produce efficiently, and in that, it does not move in a direction to create what you actually want, and it becomes confused.

Now; you express an observation that this team is ineptly being managed. But what is that expression? It is confusion. In that, you become confused quite easily if the attention is focused upon an endpoint.

This is significant, my friend. For if you look to your business and you assess the movement that you are generating in that and the direction that you are incorporating, it may seem surfacely that you are moving towards a goal — which may be assessed as an endpoint, but it is not. In actuality, that is a beginning point, and within you, you know that; and as you know that, you express quite a different type of energy. You express much more motivation, you express much less struggle and striving, and you allow yourself much more of an ease, for you recognize that this outcome, so to speak, of a particular account, in your terms, is actually an opening of a door. It is an outcome that is a beginning, not an endpoint.

FRANK: Yes, I recognize that objectively, absolutely.

ELIAS: Correct. With the team and the game, the attention is focused upon an endpoint, not a beginning but an endpoint, a finality, which is an unnatural expression. Therefore, it generates confusion, for there is a questioning of your motivation if you are moving towards an endpoint.

FRANK: A questioning of my motivation?


FRANK: Do you mean by my partners and business associates?

ELIAS: No, within yourself. It is an automatic action that occurs, which generates confusion.

For let me express to you, within consciousness, within essences, within the natural movement of consciousness, there are no endpoints. With endpoints there is a depression of motivation, for what occurs inwardly is a recognition that this is an unnatural movement. Therefore, in your mundane terms, the expression would be attached “what is the point of merely moving towards an endpoint?” For thusly, the exploration is ended and concluded, and that is not fun and therefore it also is confusing to the motivation.

FRANK: I understand. It makes sense. It makes a lot of sense to me.

ELIAS: But in these two scenarios, you may clearly view the difference of energies.

FRANK: I need to think about it, because I haven’t thought that much about the baseball tournament. The business deal, that’s very clear to me; I think I’ve been more focused on it. The baseball thing was something I did and then it was over. I don’t really think about it all that much, but now that you bring it up, it’s all clear. (Elias chuckles)

I guess that’s it. Oh, one last quick question. I couldn’t sleep last night. Why not?

ELIAS: And your assessment?

FRANK: Sleepless in anticipation of this wondrous event? (Both laugh) I don’t know. I think because I just feel pretty energized right now.

ELIAS: I am understanding. In this, I may acknowledge to you that partially you have incorporated an anticipation of our interaction and a restlessness for you have assessed that you incorporated a considerable offering of exchange and information that we would engage conversation concerning. That also generated somewhat of an excitement, which interrupted relaxing. (Laughs)

I may express to you, my friend, that I have incorporated tremendous enjoyment in this conversation! Ha ha ha!

FRANK: (Laughs) Well, good! I’m glad to hear that. As have I. I always enjoy our talks. I always get done with a great feeling. (Elias laughs)

Well, I guess we are done for today. So as always, I thank you and look forward to talking to you again soon.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend. As always, I express my tremendous affection to you and an acknowledgment of your fine entertainment! (Laughs) In tremendous friendship to you, my friend, au revoir.

FRANK: Good-bye.

Elias departs after 1 hour, 1 minute.